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You made no "arguments," for what it's worth. . .just a series of mistaken assertions, which. . .yes. . .I addressed. Your lack of comprehension aside, the bottom line is: Nobody's disputing how he's behaved in "all his movie incarnations." It's irrelevant to the point I was making: those "movie incarnations" are based on an already existing character. Who's been around for DECADES longer than any of them, with an already existing set of baseline traits.
You can babble all you want about what You think is "credible." It's irrelevant. Quite simply, any version of Batman that kills is exactly counter to what the character has represented, for the VAST majority of his career/incarnations. Regardless of how much you want to speak for "most audiences," this is simple math.
Yeah. . .no.
"Lots of stuff" absolutely was Not "thrown out" when DC did that first Crisis series. One thing that DEFINITELY wasn't thrown out was Batman's no-killing rule. As I said, it's been as much a part of his character as Superman's weakness to Kryptonite, Hal's fondness for the color green, and Flash's background as a scientist. It's INTEGRAL to who the character is. For a bunch of reasons; if you don't get that you just don't get it.
In the same way, Wonder Woman as warrior is also integral. The difference here is that DC has had SO MANY iterations of her origin (they're redoing it for the umpteenth time in the comics RIGHT NOW!), it's a challenge to do a coherent big-screen treatment that acknowledges & incorporates both the particulars as well as the basic concept. This movie did as well a job as is practicable, and should be applauded for such.
One thing is for sure: Wonder Woman killing is in NO WAY a result, tacit approval, or related to Bruce doing the same thing. One is a natural expression of who the character is, the other is an absolute repudiation of who the character is. If you don't see that, nobody can help you. And no: you don't have to be a "fanboy" to see it.
I think you're confused. . .the idea that Batman doesn't kill is ingrained in his character since about 1950. Even when Miller turned him "dark," they made sure to emphasize this about him. It's INTEGRAL to who he is.
Wonder Woman is a warrior. She doesn't fight with gadgets to stop criminals; she fights with arrows, sword and shield. This is Integral to her character.
See the difference?
Conflating these two characters in some confused attempt to justify the terrible decisions the DC movies have made with Batman is simply foolish.
You beat me to it ;)
Excellent reply, which says all that really needs saying. Well done
*The GODFATHER* is Obscure??????? Surely you jest. . .
That doesn't make sense, given the number of public officials (from your president on down) who are wealthy, but don't keep their money/assets in a trust. There has to be another reason. . .it's one of the things I've been wondering about as well. The show hasn't given an answer yet; possibly they will eventually.
Why do you assume he's 10 mentally? He wasn't frozen in stasis. He grew up like everyone else in K'un L'un. There was a trauma at that age, but that wouldn't keep him emotionally 10, any more than it would Bruce Wayne.