Is it me..or is Strange better in other people's movies more than his own


Doctor Strange has grown on me a bit since his first movie; the MCU has positioned him as a kind of group leader for phase four and Benedict Cumberbatch does have that presence. His own movies are still a mixed bag however, special effect extravaganzas that ultimately rely too heavily on special effects and often feel bloated and conventional from a screenplay standpoint. The MCU has brought Sam Raimi on now for what they’re calling their “first horror movie”, which creates its own set of problems.

This time Strange (Cumberbatch), fueled by dreams that turn out not to be dreams at all, must help America Chavez (Zochiti Gomez), a young girl with the power to open portals to other universes. Wanda Maximoff, the former avenger last seen “saving” all the people in a small town..that she took hostage, has now been overtaken by her alter-ego the Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen), who wants Chavez’s power to enter into another universe where Wanda can be re-united with the children she lost in her own.

Former “Spider-Man” director Raimi is often no match for the MCU’s chaotic action pieces- so overstuffed with falling buildings, characters gliding all about, and sparks, fire, lightning and so on being tossed back and forth we can only wonder if any of this is producing anything of consequence. He is a director of visual flourishes and hits every so often- a scene where Strange and Chavez are knocked through several universes all at once is novel in the way it changes both character’s body comps.

But visual tricks alone should not a good horror movie make and there’s a difference between what the MCU wants Raimi to do and establishing a consistent tone. The story veers wildly- Wanda has her loss, Strange still pines for his Christine (Rachel McAdams), America has lost her two moms, then there’s mention of magical books, tomes of the damned, sorcerer supremes, cross world possessions, and Strange possibly being the true villain here. Scary? No. It’s hard enough just keeping track of what’s happening.

The actors are also underserved, even Cumberbatch, who shows great mentor and leadership in “Spider-Man: No Way Home”, here just seems like a character stuck in his own rut- a rut that was far more compelling in even his episode of Disney+’s “What If”. Gomez is mostly here as a plot device and Benedict Wong, comic relief. Raimi staple Bruce Campbell only gets a silly slapstick cameo but some MCU fan favorites, and an actor who’s been very popular in the fancasting-sphere, get some fun cameos here. Coming off the best though is Olsen, who really seems to get Wanda’s emotional damage.

All this amounts to much less than the sum of its many parts. Raimi, sometimes, gets to use camera gimmicks and his gifts for the macabre but for moments that really feel inspired, we have to wait for the finale. Otherwise the film is too busy and chaotic for its own good- thinking that visuals alone are enough to distract from muddled plotting and a core that never feels truly scary or even all that demented- just overly intricate and alienating to anyone outside of the Marvel purview. It’s an MCU film, for better or worse.

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I don't agree but I see your point

Dr. Strange's powers make it almost necessary that any film he leads will have to be weird to the point of near unrelatabilty. I figure it's a way to demonstrate that incomprehensible nature of magic in the MCU.

There's also Strange's personality -- Cumberbatch's version is SOOO spot-on when it comes to real-life surgeons, ESPECIALLY neurosurgeons, that he can come off as Tony Stark with more snark and less charm.

I was never a huge comic fan so I don't know if the comic version is the same.

Regardless, it can make him hard to like and relate to as a movie's central hero. This guy will NEVER learn true humility, and that's part of his charm (to me, obviously not to you).

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I kinda have to agree. His first movie gets a pass because it's his origin story. But after everything he's been through, after essentially leading the charge against Thanos, he's STILL NOT the Sorcerer Supreme? And he's somehow less knowledgeable about the multiverse and dream-walking than Wanda and Chavez? He seemed to be in-the-know in Thor Ragnarok and the Avengers movies, but here he was clueless about a lot of things. Even in Spider-Man: No Way Home, he had a mentor vibe about him, though he was still reckless with his memory spell and it's embarrassing that practically every fan came up with a less dangerous and viable solution for Peter's secret identity issue, and while I think he was holding back in his fight with Peter, he still lost and was taken out of commission for a while.

I feel like Strange has been getting screwed over since Endgame and I wish they just let him be Sorcerer Supreme now, he's earned it. While I really liked how they did Wanda in this movie, it's suspicious that she can be awesome and scary in Dr Strange's movie yet they can't let Strange show up to try and help her in WandaVision. If being Sorcerer Supreme makes him too powerful and unrelatable, then introduce another character to act as the audience's stand-in, someone more likable and popular than America Chavez. But if someone as powerful as Thor or Superman can work as main characters, than so can Dr Strange as SS. They just need to hire better writers willing to put in the effort.

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I like him more in his own movies. He's too much of a goofball and stuff in other movies. Especially Spider-Man. And something is definitely off with him in Spider-Man when you got people saying before the movie released that it wasn't the real Doctor Strange and either a multiverse/variant Strange got through, or Mysterio was disguising himself as Strange. Also, Spider-Man was able to beat Strange, so Strange got nerfed/dumb down for Spider-Man. But then he's right back to being powerful in Doctor Strange 2. Endgame, he was pretty much MIA because he was trying to hold back a flood or something from getting in the way of the battle. And in Doctor Strange 2, he was serious again. Instead of making jokes in Spider-Man, he was more wanting to get down to business in Doctor Strange 2. Like that diner scene where he and Wong are talking to America Chavez. One woman wanted a selfie/picture of Strange. He pretty much told her to eff off and told American Chavez to just talk and quit messing around, especially with jokes. If this was the Spider-Man movie, he would've allowed the woman to take the picture/selfie and reply to American Chavez with jokes of his one. Plus be saying more jokes throughout the film. He was more serious and even savage in Doctor Strange 2. While watching Doctor Strange 2, I kept thinking/saying mentally, "there is the Doctor Strange I remember (and like)." I prefer Wong being the goofball and one always with the jokes. So yeah. Doctor Strange in the solo movies is the Doctor Strange I prefer.

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