Can someone please explain...


I'm not sure I understand at all the entire point...

In WandaVision she 'makes up' the whole reality, the kids, they are not real etc. So what are all the other multiverses? WandaVision's going on unchecked? Unresolved? To be resolved but just not yet? Or real kids, with whom?!

In the movie this point about them being made up is addressed with a kinda 'so are all kids', so conjuring up fake kids or being reunited with fake kids in another multiverse doesn't seem to matter or bother her.

So why is she trying so hard to get to another multiverse to do that? At the end of Wandavision she is now the Scarlett Witch, she is MORE powerful than her time being Wanda in WandaVision, so could she not now just recreate her kids again?

AFAIK the trouble with her WandaVision land was going too far, manipulating real people, it wasn't so much a beef with her having 'made up' kids.

I dunno... I just didn't get onboard properly with the whole premise of the film so it made it hard to enjoy.

I get that she's sad and recovering from her time in WandaVision land, but this film seemed to undermine any progress she had made at the end of Wandavision, felt... 'off'.

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The multiverse, as we've seen it, seems to be a bunch of similar universes with subtle differences, and a few "out there" ones, like the one where everyone is paint. In some universes, Wanda lives a more normal life with her children, but in 616 her children were conjured magically. Wanda wants to be with her children again, even if it means being with a pair from another universe.

Are you a parent? If not, it may not make as much sense, but if you are a parent, it makes perfect sense. If your child dies, you would do anything to bring him back.

Her line about all kids being made up didn't mean what you seem to think. She was making a sort of sarcastic comeback to what someone, I believe it was Doctor Strange, had said to her. He said she created her kids, and she was pointing out that every mother creates her children, as in all kids are grown from nearly nothing into a baby by a mother.

I found the story very believable and compelling, perhaps more so than most superhero films. Usually the villain is driven by vague desires for wealth or power, but a mother striving to reunite with her children makes sense. And, it was nicely paralleled with Strange's interaction with alternate-universe Christine. That moment when he told her he loved her really tied the entire movie together, and makes one reconsider everything that has happened to that point.

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Ok... so I guess I missed the point that there's another universe where her kids are real and not still conjured up and Wandavision world still in action (despite the kids looking the same as her made up ones.. woah... what a coincidence!) :D

I guess the fact that the kids are the EXACT same as the ones she lost (conjured up) in Wandavision threw me off, it felt like she was trying to get back to Wandavision illusion again, in some other universe and I just thought 'but you're the scarlet witch... just make them here again? Why go to all the (destructive) trouble?'

Unless... she actually DOES value real life kids more than conjured up ones, which makes her flippant sarcastic comment make even less sense... (and yes I understood what she meant by it at the time, life is a miracle bla bla, little bundles of magic lol etc etc).

But even if she does have real kids in another universe and wants to be with them, I think if she truly felt like there was no difference to conjuring up the babies via magic vs 1v1 hip bumping (with vision etc) then she could just create them again in her own universe, I didn't quite see the connection between having to seek out the multiverse and get to another world to solve her pain, she's the friggin Scarlet Witch! She can literally change reality. Or... she's also totally hot, get a boyfriend and make some real babies this time...

I dunno... I felt as though for her to suffer so badly from her illusion grief was a little weird, it felt like it undid some of the closure of Wandavision.

It wasn't a bad movie, I think perhaps it lacked emphasis on the evil book thing making her mad, evil and corrupted. Yes I'm a parent, and if my kids would unfortunately die it doesn't mean I'd have it in me to go on a killing spree for a guaranteed reunion. Good Wanda would probably not have done this either, it's because she was evil, not that it's a rational justification for any grieving parent... jesus...

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In an infinite multiverse there's a version where her kids are real.

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Gotcha, but they also look exactly the same as the ones she conjured up :S

*injects a huge amount of suspended belief...

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And Wanda looks identical in both universes. That's how multiverses work. Things are often almost exactly the same, except for one or two small differences.

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That is not how it works. It takes at least 10 Lokis to have one looked the same, there were even Lokis not humanoid.

What are the odds of the 2 kids look the same, the same species, the same age, the same gender?

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The odds are like 99.999%. Did you not notice that Dr. Strange and Wanda looked the same in every universe? Peggy Carter was the same. In What If? characters were mostly identical throughout universes. If you read the comics, it's rare that anyone is drastically different. The idea is that most universes are nearly identical to all others, with one subtle change, that had a ripple effect on other things.

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I guess Disney will have to be responsible for all these inconsistencies. Ever since endgame the entire franchise is going downhills very quickly.

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Since Endgame, Marvel has released some of their best movies yet. Black Widow was good not great, Shang-Chi was solidly entertaining, and then Far From Home, Eternals, No Way Home and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness are four excellent films. Phase 4 has been consistently great thus far, and Love and Thunder has the look of a masterpiece to it.

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No, but OK. Like I said long ago you are clearly working for Disney.

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Yes, the millions of fans of the MCU films are all on Disney's payroll. One wonders how they turn such a profit with a staff of 200 million people.

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No, you have been consistently raving about every Disney, not just Marvel, show for years. Not a single negative comment according to what I have seen over the years.

That is not a fan.

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You have me confused with someone else. I haven't watched nearly anything Disney has released besides the MCU films.

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No, I noticed you years ago. Then again I never expected a corporate drone to be honest.

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You may have noticed someone, but it wasn't me. Other than the MCU films, I can't remember when I last watched a Disney film or cartoon. As a kid, sure, but other than Aladdin and Little Mermaid in college, I am out of the loop. I've yet to see The Lion King.

That said, I find it very interesting that you are so firm in your belief that your personal opinions are immutable facts that you have convinced yourself that anyone who holds an opposite view is being paid by a corporation to lie.

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.... Externals?

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That movie blew me away. I had very low expectations, granted, but left the theater wondering if I'd just seen the greatest superhero film ever. It's hard to rank it with the others because it's so different, but it's near the top no matter how I look at it. Guessing you disliked it?

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I didn't like it, but that doesn't matter - to each their own.

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I think it was implied that Wanda "tapped into" different multiverses when she created her reality in WandaVision. The kids she made there were based off her dreams of her life as a mother. In MoM it was explained that some dreams are actually glimpses of alternate realities like Dr. Strange's at the beginning of the movie. It's shown Wanda having dreams of tucking in her kids before bed, which is actually her viewing an alternate reality of herself, and she based her kids in WandaVision off those kids, hence why they look the same.

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But not exactly as the kids she made up in WandaVision, that can't be right.

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Well the possibilities are infinite? That would mean there are an infinite exact copies of the kids.

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Chances of genetic makeups of 2 people are identical are very low, 4 are astronomical, and they have to be brothers, all at the right age.

What are the odds of Wanda finding that universe, I mean exactly the right one at the right time.

If she found them in 2 different universes, which she has been searching for her entire life, then maybe that is possible.

So that is hardly a question of odds. I think that universe has to be the one splintered from her past at certain WandaVision days.

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I agree it's weird and a larger suspension of belief is required over other MCU movies.

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Couldn't there be a universe where Wanda had the kids and died? So the MCU Wanda could just swoop in that one?

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Doctor Strange was able to search through 14 million scenarios to find one where Iron Man was able to defeat Thanos.

The Scarlet Witch - who, as a "Nexus being", is already more powerful than Doctor Strange (and also has the Darkhold boosting her powers) - was able to find the one parallel Earth where the children she mystically created in Westview were actually real, presumably fathered by a flesh-and-blood Vision.

If this seems "unrealistic", that's just how these movies and TV series roll. We already saw in 'Loki' that there is a parallel Earth where Thor is a super-powered frog wearing a tiny helmet.

I do agree that Wanda coming to terms with her trauma over the course of 'WandaVision', but then turning into a supervillain during a 10-second post-credit scene, was rushed.

The Scarlet Witch is just a messily-written character, both in the comics and film.

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