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So disappointed for Raheem Sterling.
Probably one of the players of the tournament and was having a great game. But now unfortunately all he will be remembered for is cheating once again. Real shame.
I must admit, I think the Danes will feel hard done by to have that penalty go against them. Having said that, England were the better team.
shareYes, England were well on top but that was just embarrassing.
Even the pundits seem a bit ashamed to discuss it - fair play is such a big part of the English sporting persona, e.g. always calling out Italian divers / time wasters, and then one of our players does that.
You have to discard what you believe in just to celebrate what seemed to be heading towards a win anyway...
He didn't dive or cheat. Two defenders clearly (and can be seen when slowed down) make contact with him.
Now you wanna argue he went down easily and was a soft penalty. Maybe. But those types of penalties happen al the time and have happened against England. If Denmark had got the same penalty they wouldn't have complained either.
Players are told that when they feel contact to go down. Now do I agree with, maybe, I'm on the fence a little. But if they don't go down then no penalty can be given.
But he did not cheat or dive.
Not a dive? I'll have some of what you've been smoking 😜.
Seriously, have a look at the pic on this link, discussing the Danes / Italians calling England cheats:-
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15528964/raheem-sterling-penalty-dive-denmark-italy-england/
See Sterling's leg? Wouldn't you agree that it's literally impossible that it could be below the Danish defender's knee like that UNLESS he'd already started going over? Yeah, he shaped contact off the defender but that is definitely a dive.
Even Mourinho and Wenger called it out as such and they hate each other!
No it is not impossible at all. If it was impossible it wouldn't have happened.
It was actually 2 defenders that made contact with him, not one. When travelling at speed the contact required to go down becomes less and less.
If you are walking and i clip your leg from behind you may stumble and may go down. Now sprint and i clip your leg you will go down without issue and tumble and roll because you are travelling at speed. The force required to take you down becomes less, it is no different here.
The contact was minimal, I agree. But there was still contact and so not a dive, confirmed by VAR.
Was it a soft penalty, absolutely and I would complain if it was awarded to Denmark. But it was not a dive as their was visible contact.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree as I don't think contact in itself makes it a penalty. As I was saying before it's very easy for the attacker to fashion contact but that doesn't make it the defender's fault. It becomes the job of VAR to assess that once it's happened.
It's absolutely clear for that Sterling's leg to be below the defender's knee he has already began going down. You can also see by the position of the Danish defender's leg below the knee - he said he knew he wouldn't make it and pulled his leg back, hence the position, but it makes no odds because Sterling has already gone for it at speed.
Absolutely nothing he could do but wait for the ref to assess the VAR footage, which for whatever reason, didn't happen.
Don't get me wrong - I'm glad we won and are in the final, I'd just rather it hadn't happened like that. But maybe that's just me - I've got very strong ethics re cheating in football and I hate that this will always hang over England now.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree as I don't think contact in itself makes it a penalty
Is your comprehension of reading lacking or something. I literally said the following.
Was it a soft penalty, absolutely and I would complain if it was awarded to Denmark. But it was not a dive as their was visible contact.
A little bit of contact is the very definition of a soft penalty. How does that need explaining.
but that doesn't make it the defender's fault
Intent is irrelevant. If their is conatct their is contact. It doesn't matter one iota if the player meant it or not.
It becomes the job of VAR to assess that once it's happened.
And they did and agreed with the Referees decision that it was in fact a Penalty.
It's absolutely clear for that Sterling's leg to be below the defender's knee he has already began going down. You can also see by the position of the Danish defender's leg below the knee - he said he knew he wouldn't make it and pulled his leg back, hence the position, but it makes no odds because Sterling has already gone for it at speed.
Again. Irrelevant. Contact is contact. Doesn't matter if the defender pulls out. If their is enough contact to make the player go down accidentally or not it is still contact and is still a penalty.
Absolutely nothing he could do but wait for the ref to assess the VAR footage, which for whatever reason, didn't happen.
Yes they did. VAR checked the penalty and agreed with the ref. It even had it on screen that VAR were checking the penalty. Even Referees they have in the commentary box said it was a penalty. But yeh some random guy on moviechat knows better.
I've got very strong ethics re cheating in football
England didn't cheat. If Sterling dived so did the Danish player for their freekick, just as little contact.
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Is your comprehension of reading lacking or something.
It's kind of a shame you had to resort to writing something like that. Given that I've already stated multiple times that the forward can clearly fashion the contact. Simply repeating that contact = penalty (which I'm sure you'll go right ahead doing!) in light of what I'm saying here, only highlights your own lack of comprehension...
Once again though, if the forward does do that that during the course of diving, that does not make it a penalty. Otherwise every forward on the planet could instantly gain a penalty by diving as long as he catches the defender's leg on the way down.
Anyway, as I said, agree to disagree, I just wish we hadn't won on such a point of contention. Getting cheated by Argentina wasn't nice. Shaped my believes about playing the right way, etc. And I hate that we have this hanging over us now.
But hey ho, we won and forget your principles, cause that's good enough... share
that the forward can clearly fashion the contact
So their was contact?
If he does that during the course of diving
He didn't dive
I just wish we hadn't won on such a point of contention
It is what makes it the best sport on the world.
And I hate that we have this hanging over us now.
For the love of god really. We have nothing hanging over us. Will be forgotten in days. Soft penalties are given all the time and that will never change. Stop being dramatic.
we won and forget your principles
Who said I don't have principles, bit of an assumption on your part. Why? Because I disagree with you. He didn't dive so what principles should I have for that. Get off your high horse.
In short it was a soft penalty but their was still contact. He felt the contact and went down. VAR and the ref agreed so was a penalty.
A dive is when no contact is done. The fact their was contact means it wasn't a dive.
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Maradona cheated and no argantinian cared.
Sterling didn't cheat but if he went down easy, no one in England gives a shit.
Everyone else can cry about it, tough shit.
IT'S COMING HOME ITS COMING.....
Exactly.
For some reason because it is England then we have turned into the most hated team in Football.
Soft penalties are given every day of the week in world football and no one gives a shit but because it happened to England we must for some reason be held accountable for it.
See my posts above. I agree it was a soft penalty and I would be the first to scream foul if it happened against England but he didn't dive or cheat. The contact was minimal but their was still contact. Yes, the same minimal contact that won Denmark their freekick but no one is discussing that.
Agreed, hopefully we win on Sunday and they can cry a bit more.
Like I said before no English man/woman gives a shit.
VAR disagrees with you.
shareIt was a dive, but England were better. Denmark looked tired.
shareGee, I wonder why Denmark looked more tired. Maybe because they just went from Copenhagen, to Amsterdam. Then all the way to Baku. Then to London. Might be related?
shareNo england dominated and were alot better , next
shareYeah flying all the way from Baku didn’t help. England have simply had an easier way. We’ll see against Italy.
shareI know must be terrible being the main host of the tournament. Blame Uefa, not Englands fault. Will you use that same excuse in Germany when they host in 2024 when they play their games at home and don't have to travel. That is the luxury of being the host.
It is poor to use the travel as an excuse. They have plenty of time to prepare, stop making excuses.
England passed them to death. It is harder and more tiring to defend than it is to attack. In the 2nd half and extra time especially that came through. We had more of the ball, more chances. We were just better.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/08/england-charged-by-uefa-over-fan-using-laser-pen-and-disturbance-during-national-anthem-14894577/?ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook&fbclid=IwAR0ZlPojs4VFUBuCcS7ua8IEg5cQj4LCE-YIq6wib02WaG3eVBLsW1IDrSs
Favorable refereeing decisions, extremely lucky draw/bracket, throwing elbows and holding opponents(with little in the way of calls against you), and then green lasers on an opposing goalie during a PK.
Yeah after 55 years of losing...it finally dawned on you guys that it won’t matter how you win it...just that you do. Maybe then it’ll be another 55 years before we have to hear “it’s coming home” from an overrated team.
Can you prove it was an english fan who did? No but you will assume it was still.
Also for a laser pointer seems a strange non circular shape. I have laser pointers on one of guns and cameras and none of them make a shape like that at any distance.
Favorable refereeing decisions
Show them please and I want evidence that no other team has received any of these desicions. Otherwise that is as I assume a complete bias assumption on your part. Sometimes you get the luck with decisions. England are not the only team for it to ever happen and wont be the last. It is what makes it the greatest sport in the world. I guess we should just forget all the decisions gone against England but somehow this tournament we are cheating. I'll forget Lampards equalsier against Germany that was 2 foot over the line and wasn't counted, how about the hand of god which saw Argentina through. The list goes on and is the same for all countries.
extremely lucky draw/bracket
Drawn by Uefa. Are you suggesting the completely random draw that was done live on air was somehow rigged in Englands favour. Italy group was rock hard wasnt it, the world footballing power of Wales, Switzerland and Turkey. They breezed through it but yeh England only had to face the current World Cup finalists and their oldest and hated rivals.
throwing elbows and holding opponents(with little in the way of calls against you)
SO you are suggesting only england commits fouls. NO other team has commited fouls or done any of the above you have stated. Guess you don't watch a lot of football then.
I get it for what ever reason you hate England. Good. It will be sweeter on SUnday when we win then and watch everyone cry. share
Dominated and were a lot better = needed a fake penalty in extra time to barely win. Nice one.
shareLol, they did dominate the game especially the 2nd half, with possession and chances. Dominating in football is not like other sports, you can win a close game on the scoreboard and still have "dominated" the match.
shareAs was in 1966, England needs to be playing at home and have the referees on their side to have a chance to win something.
In 1966 it's well documented and known what was done to Portugal and to Germany so that England could win.
Now in 2021 England is being helped by the referees, as was seen today. England is the team that traveled the less - by far - and is having the easiest road to the final they could ask (only an underwhelming Germany was above average competition).
Let's see if they can luck their way in the final once again. The whole Europe is rooting for Italy, because nobody likes overrated players showing off and faking penalties in their stadium full of arrogant and disgusting English supporters.
Fun fact also: the 4 finalist teams all played all their group games at home.
While some teams have been inter-railing though Europe, others don't even have to change their hotel.
Nah. England team is clearly growing up in the last few years. Semifinal in 2018,semifinal in Nations League,and at least a final now. Its clearly a sign that England as a national team is growing up,thanks to the dominance of Premier League that makes the English players to weekly confront theirselves against the best players in the world,but also thanks to the good job made by Southgate. He gave some tatctical discipline to this national team.
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share@Towelie_Towel The same can be said for France who won in their country both times (WC 1998 and Euros 1984 ) and Italy in Euros 1968 and World Cup 1934. Germany WC 1974 and Argentina WC 1978.
Why can’t people just give credit where credit is due. I cheer on other teams when England are out. Isn’t it boring when the same countries win again and again.
ENGLAND were the better team tonight and deserve to be in the final.
I predict Italy will win, but I’m proud that England finally made it to a final after 55 years.
This euro is different than the cases you quoted, because in all those cases all the teams in the competition were traveling through a single country - including the host themselves.
In this case we have England always in the same city, while other teams have to travel to Azerbaijan and back. The difference and advantage is obvious.
What are you on about? It wasn’t only England that played most games at home:
DENMARK
Copenhagen
Matches
Denmark vs Finland (12 June)
Denmark vs Belgium (17 June)
Russia vs Denmark (21/06)
GERMANY
Munich
Matches
France vs Germany (15 June)
Portugal vs Germany (19 June)
Germany vs Hungary (23 June)
ITALY
Rome
Matches
Turkey vs Italy (11 June)
Italy vs Switzerland (16 June)
Italy vs Wales (20 June)
ENGLAND
London
Matches
England vs Croatia (13 June)
England vs Scotland (18 June)
Czech Republic vs England (22 June)
Then because we got further and we were hosting the final matches:
Round of 16 1D vs 2F (29 June) - GERMANY (who have played most games at home)
Semi-final: W48 vs W47 (7 July) - DENMARK (who have played most games at home)
Final: W49 vs W50 (11 July) - ITALY (who have played most games at home)
They tried to keep travel to a minimum for most teams to avoid further Covid spreads.
What am I on about?
Do you have trouble understanding English?
As I just said, England is BY FAR the team that traveled the least.
You just copy pasted the group stage information. Yes, in the group stage there was always one team per group playing at home.
However, as I just said previously, England is the only team that also played the 1/8s at home.
And is the only team playing the semis at home, and the only team that can play the final at home.
As I said, while Denmark did play the group stage at home - they had to travel in the last week Copenhagen - Amsterdam - Baku - London. This is 10.000 Kms.
England did London - London - Rome - London.
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and Gemany did Munich - Munich - Munich - London, so are you saying we beat Germany because they were tired from one flight?
It's just excuses after excuses of why we got into the final. We know we are hated (I didn't realise how much until now), but this is just rediculous.
Anyways, I'm proud of my team and like I said, even though it's likly Italy will win, I'm just happy we finally got to a final in my lifetime.
It's not excuses, I am just stating facts.
Against Germany England was extremely "lucky" that Kalvin Philips, the Lumberjack, saw a yellow card instead of a red when it was 0-0. That would make England get eliminated, but what do you know, benefited once more.
@Towelie_Towel - I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are for England getting through to the semi finals in the World Cup (2018) with the same team.
All countries dive to get through, yet England's win isn't fair. All countries tug people's shirts to get through, yet England's win isn't fair. All countries do fouls that should have been a red card but were given a yellow, yet England's win isn't fair. The list goes on.
We get it. You hate England. It's fine. I'm just disappointed as I cheer other countries on and give them credit when they do well.
Also, I don't condone when our fans boo the National Anthems and are disrespectful. I hate it and think it is a disgrace and I feel ashamed, but the players shouldn't be blamed for these thugs actions.
What's the issue with the world cup?
2nd place in the group by eliminating Tunisia and Panama. No big deal here, every European team would do at least the same.
Penalties against Colombia. A bit lucky there, a match that could have gone either way. Colombia is not top 3 in south America, but it's ok I guess.
Victory against Sweden, and then defeat against Croatia.
All in all, a perfectly normal competition, where several big teams underperformed and opened the field for underdogs and weaker teams like Russia, England and Croatia to go far.
Maybe the tides are turning now. :-) We have seen twice that bigger teams have underperformed. Next year's World Cup will be very interesting. I think it is great that it is not a sure thing these days.
Thanks for your thoughts. It's the first time I have had a passionate debate on these boards. I usually stay out of it, but had to stick up for England when I think credit should be given to them for coming this far. I hated our team from before (Terry (yuk), Lampard, Gerard etc...). No passion for our country, only for their clubs and they broke our hearts too many times because of their egos etc...They even put me off football/Premiership for a while especially after the miserable performance at the World Cup in South Africa, but the squad we have now are very different and you can tell they are united and all play with passion.
Peace out!!
England did London - London - Rome - London.
Bear with me here. This will be hard to understand so I'll go slow for you as you seem to struggling and think it is some form of conspiracy.
England are the main hosts. There I feel much lighter getting the truth out there. The weight of this conspiracy weighing down on England needed to be told and I am happy to tell it. If you didn't get it I'm sarcastic of course. England are the main host, this is why the semi and final are at Wembley.
We were pushing for the 2024 Euros but Uefa gave us this concession and so it went to Germany instead. Will you complain in 2024 when Germany play their games at home infront of their own fans.
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It seems your are the one having issues understanding the basic concept of traveling distance difference between countries competin with each other.
The issue was never England "playing always in England", like it won't be an issue Germany playing always in Germany.
The issue is that England plays in England while others are doing an international country rail, from Amsterdam to Baku and then back.
In Germany 2024 not only Germany will play always in Germany, the other countries will also pay in Germany.
I hope you were able to understand this very basic and simple concept, I said it as simple as I could for you.
It seems your are the one having issues understanding the basic concept of traveling distance difference between countries competin with each other.
I'll put in captials for you to read easier.
WE WERE THE MAIN HOST.
The issue is that England plays in England while others are doing an international country rail, from Amsterdam to Baku and then back.
And i'll take this from above.
DENMARK
Copenhagen
Matches
Denmark vs Finland (12 June)
Denmark vs Belgium (17 June)
Russia vs Denmark (21/06)
GERMANY
Munich
Matches
France vs Germany (15 June)
Portugal vs Germany (19 June)
Germany vs Hungary (23 June)
ITALY
Rome
Matches
Turkey vs Italy (11 June)
Italy vs Switzerland (16 June)
Italy vs Wales (20 June)
This was decided to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the Euros to play it all over Europe. I gather you didn't know that. You are using one example as your whole argument when others have shown you that the actual travel was minimal for a lot of the countries.
The issue is that England plays in England while others are doing an international country rail, from Amsterdam to Baku and then back.
Once again for the hard of hearing. We are the main hosts. Again. We are the main hosts. You don't quite seem to get that.
Their were 11 host cities decided upon. So those nations played at home. Not their fault or Englands fault that your country was not deemed worthy enough to host a game. This was decided years ago. Get over it. share
You didn't counter any of what I said.
You don't seem very capable of having any sustained conversation. You are just repeating the same thing over and over, and I already said that none of what you are saying is significant.
The problem was never with the "main host" playing at home, but the others having to cross different countries. It's easy to understand. The fact you are just copy pasting the group stage matches, but are choosing to ignore the knockout stages - you know, the stages that are happening for two weeks, now - shows that even you know I am right, because in the group stages there were 6 teams with this advantage, but in the knockout stages there is only one team keeping this advantage, England.
Don't worry about my country, my country has already hosted this competition on their own and has already been to multiple finals and has won the euro.
So England could have played anyone from France (World champions), Germany (never beat them in a knockout stage since 1966) or Portugal (reigning Euro champions) and you are moaning about who we faced and beat.
Then they beat Ukraine who had despatched Sweden (who topped their group without losing a match).
Finally they beat Denmark who had the rest of the world behind them and still you go on like a whiny bitch.
As for Italy, I imagine the rest of the world (not just Europe) will be behind them. Not because they don't like overrated players, but because they don't like England. But you know what? We don't give a shit!
You obviously didn’t see what that cheating slime-ball Immobile did against Belgium when he faked injury rolling around on the floor like he was shot and got straight back up miraculously when they scored.
You must be tripping if you think the whole of Europe wants the diving cheating slime-ball Italians to win.
Both he and Sterling should have been sent off on the spot for their respective cheating.
Honestly, what's the point of having VAR if they don't use it effectively against garbage like this? It could literally change the game overnight if players knew that if their diving was caught on VAR they'd be sent off there and then.
Instead, because it's one of our players, we're supposed to applaud it as "clever" or say, no problem, we were well on top anyway so deserved to win.
VAR confirmed that Sterling was touched. Not saying it could bring him down.
Harry Maguire was cheated in the first half when he got yellow carded.
let's go England!
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shareJust one more dive for an imaginary penalty and a paid referee in their home stadium, and england can steal another stolen trophy like the only world cup they ever stole.
Thank God Italy will pave their ass.
VAR disagrees with you on the penalty score. As for calling the REFs integrity in to question...shame on you
shareVAR is being put to question. If it's not useful to cancel this fake penalty, what is VAR for? Maybe UEFA will let England just win one competition whatever it takes first, and then analyze how to solve these issues.
shareYou know what, VAR was brought in because Frank Lampards ghost goal was a yard over the line in 2010 vs Germany and the only people in the stadium who didn't realise this were the two linesmen and the referee. VAR is so tight that penalties that used to be awarded no longer are, so it's laughable that you should say what you do.
If anything VAR is being questioned more because shirt sleeves are being deemed offside.
Good point.
It is ridiculous VAR is used to draw Hawkeye style lines across the pitch and then say, yes that dude was 1mm offside because his balls were swinging forward in his shorts at the time, yet they can't use it to overturn and punish clear cheating / diving.
What's the point? Just get rid of it and then at least we can get back to celebrating when the ball hits the back of the net rather than waiting around 5 mins for goals to get overturned.