Final Episode
Just wow!! Not what I was expecting, but brutally brilliant.
What are your thoughts?
I love that Tom elected to keep Greg around even after Greg betrayed him (more than once, but certainly most critically at the end). When all's said and done, Tom "gets" Greg and will keep him close, if only to abuse him.
And despite the final music, it's actually a happy ending for all three siblings, or as happy as they can ever expect in their world with their personalities. They're free of their father's poisonous legacy.
Yea I had a feeling Tom would keep Greg by his side. You are right. You could see the relief in Roman’s face at the bar. I felt for Kendall though.
I stayed up to watch it here in the U.K. and it was worth it. What a show. Still trying to process the final.
Kendal was losing his kids the same way Logan lost the three of them
A lot of fans (including me) figured Kendal's victory would be hollow because of that.
That's why I view it as a happy ending for all three of them
Additionally, as an outsider, Tom is a satisfying choice (to me) because, for all his faults, he at least reached the top on his merits, or at least more merit than the siblings. Marrying Shiv undoubtedly helped, as did volunteering to go to prison, but those were choices, not inheritances.
And something else I like about Greg, and I feel like Tom also likes about Greg, is that Greg built up his influence through (sneaky underhanded) effort, not inheritance (damn Greenpeace).
Everyone wound up where they're supposed to be, is how it felt to me.
I view it as a happy ending for all three of them
I disagree. And I'll also explain the reasons why (which were also already explained in the message posted back to you on the PREDICTIONS topic ... where as usual nearly every guess that was made turned out to be WRONG).
Anyhow, the way that Tom puts out his hand and Shiv only "Half Holds it" seems to indicate their lives won't be a happy one (especially with TOM's being nothing more than MATSSON's PUPPET).
And if it hadn't been for that article where it shows MATSSON as being SHIV's PUPPET (which most likely also BRUISED his EGO), wonder if Shiv could have become the US CEO instead of TOM???
And in that last scene with Roman, it also looks like he might turn into an ALCOHOLIC who OBSESSES over not being good enough to run the company for the rest of his life.
And if KENDAL doesn't KILL himself, perhaps he may also go back to using drugs again.
In other words, after the way that they've been raised by their father, can they really ever be HAPPY due to the effect that the company's had on all of their lives???
Isn't it a bit like being RAISED your entire life to be ROYALTY and run a country only to have that JOB YANKED away from you at the last moment instead of handed over to you???
So how do you overcome the SHOCK of that happening and accept that you're basically a NOBODY or one of the PYGMIES (as Logan puts it)???
The IRONY of course is how KENDAL is the one who needs a SHRINK now. Remember how he also TAUNTS the other guy for his seeing one???
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Sorry I hadn't sorted out my own thoughts from the characters quite yet
I think what I'm feeling is that it's an enormously SATISFYING ending ... for ME as a viewer & fan
None of the three siblings deserved the high chair. None of them were truly qualified for the role, not even Kendall. They were raised to believe it was a birthright when, in fact, it was never more than a carrot that their father dangled it in front of them to control them.
Looking back, I can see how the season baited us similarly, giving us hope that Kendall might actually be up to the job. But in the end, he showed his unworthiness when he blew up at Shiv and Roman.
it's an enormously SATISFYING ending ... None of the three siblings deserved the high chair... it was never more than a carrot that their father dangled it in front of them to control them.
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Yes, with these remarks I definitely agree.
And you're also right about Kendal not being worthy ... which was also PROVEN to us by that BS that he said at the FUNERAL ... about how his father was the so called "LIFEBLOOD" of the nation ... in comparison to what his UNCLE EWAN said ... about how LOGAN had never contributed more than "a few measly Million" in his entire lifetime to help other human beings (who Logan also saw as being nothing more than "economic units" and pygmies).
Was any kind of CHARITY ever mentioned the entire time that we watched the show???
Here's a family of GREEDY BACKSTABBING BILLIONAIRES running the country who do NOTHING for those less fortunate than them???
One also gets the feeling it will harder for LOGAN to enter the KINGDOM than it is for a camel to go through the EYE of a NEEDLE. And at the PEARLY GATES St. Peter will probably also say something to him like "WOE to the RICH for ye have received your consolation???"
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One thing CEOs, and managers hate it is underlings that are as smart or smarter than they are. There is a book about the lessons of power, and I think like the first one is don't outshine your boss, or you cut your own throat. That is what Shiv did.
None of these entitled infants was competent to do anything to bicker at each other.
CEOs, and managers hate it is underlings that are as smart or smarter than they are.
Was Shiv as smart or smarter than MATSSON???
Since he told her she lacked having experience enough to run the company (the same thing Kenda & Roman also told her), and he DOUBLE CROSSED her, & PLAYED her for a FOOL for trusting him to give her the job that he gave to her HUSBAND, somehow it doesn't seem to have the ring of truth to describe her as being that way???
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Do you ever bother think about shit before you go post it.
I never said that Shiv was as smart or smarter than her boss,
what I said was that bosses steer clear of subordinated they
THINK are as smart or smarter than they.
You do this all the time I see, half read a post and get some
wild hair and then go off for pages over some idea you think
is brilliant.
One thing CEOs, and managers hate
it is underlings that are as smart or smarter than they are.
There is a book about the lessons of power, and
I think like
the first one is don't outshine your boss, or you cut your own throat.
That is what Shiv did.
I never said that Shiv was as smart or smarter than her boss,
Do you ever bother think about shit before you go post it.
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You're reading in stuff that is not there.
Everything showed that Shiv was not as smart as Mattson. She was grasping at straws, she had some good ideas, but that is not want he wanted - or any other CEO wants. I think you're missing it, like Shiv, trying to appear smart.
You're reading in stuff that is not there.
CORRECTION:
Everything that was posted in the last message is obviously a DIRECT QUOTE from YOU where you contradict yourself:
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CEOs, and managers hate ...
underlings that are as smart or smarter than they are.
There is a book about the lessons of power, and ...
the first one is
don't outshine your boss, or you cut your own throat.
That is what Shiv did.
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I never said that Shiv was as smart or smarter than her boss
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Because in order to OUTSHINE her BOSS she'd also need to be SMARTER than him.
Ever hear of CATEGORICAL SYLLOGISM???
It infers a conclusion from two premises:
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1. CEO'S/ Managers hate underlings smarter than they are.
2. A book says don't OUTSHINE your BOSS.
3. That's what SHIV DID.
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saying you never said that Shiv was as smart or smarter than her boss
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You put forth premises and a conclusion, then you also try to DENY the conclusion that you put forth, which is ILLOGICAL.
Therefore, the reason why one suggests that you TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE and THINK about what it is that you're saying before you post it.
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But Tom is a front and Matsson's "pain sponge" now. His role is not what Shiv was envisioning for herself as CEO. She is bigger and less malleable than what Matsson preferred. Like she said, Tom's willing to suck the biggest d*ck. As far as Greg and he, they're a couple, even more so than Shiv and he. And I listened to the Swisher podcast (part 1), after the show, with Jeremy Strong, who said that he thought Kendall was done, finished, suicidal after that, unable to recover, rather than free. They even shot a scene where Colin grabs him to stop him from jumping, but they didn't use it.
I thought this season was excellent as far as final seasons go, but I think the finale might be one of its weaker episodes. I thought the Tom thing was too obvious, and the last bit with them arguing a bit over the top in an inconsistent and false way, but more importantly, the 3rd season ended similarly where Tom had gained an advantage -- so I was hoping they wouldn't go there again. I was hoping the twist to shut the kids out would come from left field, like maybe Gerri this time. She was much more prominent for most of the show, so I thought a comeback might be in order.
Kendall did NOT get a happy ending. He's the type of person whose without his job he feels he's nothing. I'm sure the actor can relate to that in that way. Artists can't be happy with an office job.
shareRemember the scene where Roy calls them all IDIOTS for not wanting the MERGER with MATSSON???
Then he leaves, and we see him on the streets of NY where he also makes the COMMENT about the RATS being so FAT that they can't run anymore.
And he also says what his kids need was to be beggars with tin cups.
Metaphorically speaking, that's pretty much what they've become.
A bunch of useless, OVER STUFFED and BLOATED FAT RATS.
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Kendall's nothing with or without the job - he would drive the company into the ground ... like in the first scene of the series where he gets rat-fucked by the Chinese guy. They're all children.
What do these jerk children have to complain about, they're all filthy rich and never have to worry about anything ever again?
Kendall's nothing with or without the job - he would drive the company into the ground
What do these jerk children have to complain about, they're all filthy rich and never have to worry about anything ever again?
When Kendal orders the HOLLYWOOD people to build a HOUSE with CLOUDS for him on STAGE overnight you could see another reason why the company would soon go broke. Imagine the kind of costs that would involve. PLUS the purpose of doing that was for that FAKE LIVING PLUS PRESENTATION which was a STUNT to fool others into thinking the numbers were good that had fallen after the death of LOGAN. Then ROMAN also goes around telling people they're FIRED which results in the law suit being filed against them.
So obviously the temporary POWER that they had as CO-CEO's also went to their HEADS revealing how much worse things could be if they'd remained in CONTROL.
But since MATSSON faked the number of subscriptions in Asia and sent FROZEN BRICKS of his BLOOD to Ebba, is he any better or more mature than the ROY brothers?
And since Kendal & Roman were so reckless during the little bit of time that they ran the company, they'd probably also be just as irresponsible at running their lives.
If KENDAL goes back to using DRUGS again, for instance, that's a quick way to go through his fortune. And Roman might end up boozing it up as a way to drown his sorrows now that he has nothing else to do with his time. Or he might also spend his time hanging out in Casinos gambling his money away (like people do who win Lots of money in a LOTTERY will also tend to spend their fortunes pretty fast).
Because these DRAMA JUNKIES that we've been watching will most likely also get BORED with their ORDINARY LIVES and be searching for some kind of a thrill as a way to overcome it.
Or they could also end up investing their fortunes in some kind of SCAM thinking it will make them even RICHER, and then lose it all that way. Or maybe they could also turn it over to some other CROOK like BERNIE MADOFF who rips them off???
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Just because they're FILTHY RICH doesn't mean they'll stay that way or that they'll never have anything else to worry about ever again. Because just like the case was with LOGAN, one's Wealth can also very easily DISAPPEAR "in the BLINK of an EYE."
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You really like to talk don't you.
You don't go through a billion dollars with a drug habit.
You don't go through a billion dollars with a drug habit.
No I don't, because I don't have a drug habit or a billion dollars to go through.
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"You" in the generic plural sense. There you go again smarty.
Rock stars and celebrities can go through "millions" because they have lots of friends and parties and brown-noters, but that was not the case with any of these children.
I don't get why you spend so much energy to defend something so obvious.
You really like to talk don't you.
Here's another CORRECTION for you:
Since TYPING is NOT TALKING, NOT one single word has been SPOKEN to you.
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