https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QJbAbe2yyo
Basically, if you want diversity and all of that stuff in your epic fantasy TV series, CREATE YOUR OWN instead of bastardising an established classic!!
Tolkien already tainted his own World by including tomatoes, potatoes, tobacco, Muslim-influenced warfare, salt, Algebra, etc. into a mythic landscape
shareHow was that tainting his own world? If HE wants to feature that stuff, LET him! I and others can't stand the thought of these idiots changing the established ethnicity of Tolkien's own world just to suit their agenda!
Well, with that logic Prime Video / Amazon owns the rights. So, if they want those things to be included, LET THEM!
If Tolkien (or his wife, or his son, or whoever) doesn't want anyone that HAS the rights mucking around with his oh-so-precious creation then he shouldn't SELL the rights in the first place. But all that green money looking so nice, wasn't it?
Can't have a cake AND eat it too!
CriticalWanker thrives on being a White victim. His schtick is getting very old and tired.
shareI'M a "white victim", too! What race are you, BourbonKing?
Like him or not. It is actually one of the best described videos of why fans are complaing and outraged by what they are doing.
He is right in every respect.
It's his universe to include whatever he wants.
Make your own if you're not creatively bankrupt.
It's pronounced PO-TAY-TOES! Boil em up mash em up put em in a stew!
shareExactly what I have been trying to point out in another thread. The fact it is fictional is not a valid reason to drastically change major elements of characters, races and story just to push a modern day agenda. Nobody watches Lord of the Rings to be reminded about about what is going on today. It is fantasy for a reason.
I of course have met with name calling, doesn't suprise me.
Lord of the Rings is literally based on Anglo Saxon Medieval people, you know white people. The shire is the english countryside. It has norse myhthology and folklore. But that is ok, european culture doesn't matter to americans and there miniscule narrow minded view of race. All they see is black and white nothing else, whoopi goldberg being a prime example.
I even said the same thing. You want your multicultural fantasy world then go and make one.
If lord of the rings was originally an all black cast do you imagine for one second they would change any of that to be more inclusive or diverse, not a fking chance.
Woke programming is not done to fight racism but to widen the audience. Again, it's all just commercial decision-making.
But there is no "correct" way to do an interpretation because you just can't please everyone. Don't keep thinking it is about racism, you seem to miss the point. But you are trying, so that is something.
Wanting a piece of literature to be adapted correctly to the screen isn't racist no matter how much you want it to be.
Nice fail but I give you a C for effort
Woke programming is done to widen the audience !? Do you sincerely believe that ?
I think that money plays a bigger part than politics.
People want to see people who look like them represented in film.
Are politics involved? Yes, but I don't think that's it's the big conspiracy which so many "woke" alarmists claim it is.
People want to see people who look like them represented in film
So how many generations do you have to be in a country for it to be your home? I mean I'm 3rd generation, should I be looking to Europe for my movies? Or would that only apply if I were a third generation Asian? Or maybe if I was black and could trace my family back to the 16th century would that be far enough back or would I have to do find African films? Fuck.
I also didn't say that anyone is entitled to anything. I said that I think that money is a driving force more than politics. Why not add another 5% of the population who now wants to see a movie who might have previously not watched it? I also don't understand why it is so triggering for so many people on here to see people of colour in their movies? Do they live in an all white place? That is not the majority of places.
You're a world citizen, just like us all. We should upvote the UN and make it the world government already. I want flying fucking cars goddammit!
shareIt doesn’t matter how many generations your family lived somewhere. If you’re in the minority, and you’re wasting time complaining about representation, then look to the place where people like you are the majority and watch their media.
I’m a minority, but I don’t bitch about Hollywood not catering to me specifically or people like me. I just want to be entertained, and if I really felt race-sick (as opposed to homesick), my ancestral home’s got that covered. The global success of Squid Game and anime/manga should prove that POCs are perfectly capable of representing themselves, and that fictional characters don’t need to resemble the audience to be relatable and likable. It should also be clear by now that seeing people of color in movies doesn’t trigger anyone; what pisses people off, including POCs, is wokeness, which isn’t the same as diversity and representation.
If money really was the driving factor, then they wouldn’t be excluding the majority where it’s most profitable, and pandering to the monitory where they’re losing money. Adding another 5% might sound good, but you can’t please everyone, so you gotta stick with your core audience. What’s driving representation these days is politics, nothing more. Lately it’s cool and trendy to hate on capitalism, and they have plenty of money to lose, so all they care about now is saving face and not appearing as racist and sexist.
Sounds like a bunch of narcissistic egomaniacs. If that’s really how they feel, then they should watch some movies and shows from their ancestral homes, and/or make their ownSo....even if one's family has been in a location much longer than the majority they should still look elsewhere? I'm sorry, but this comment just speaks to me of fragile white man syndrome.
I'm sorry, but this comment just speaks to me of fragile white man syndrome
In the US the "white" population is 60%. Why would a studio choose to exclude 40% of people? It makes no sense financially
people still get upset because it's not a white man saving the day 100% of the time.
First of all I didn't say that anyone was crying over not having representation. I am saying that people are more likely to spend money when they see representation. I'm not talking about studios wanting to feel better, I'm talking about studios like Disney seeing a wider group of people they can sell their merchandise to.
I haven't said that anyone was being ignored, but historically having all white American movies and tv shows was common. I'm not saying that that is right or wrong. I'm not talking ethics. I'm simply talking about what studios think will sell.
I assure you that there are plenty of people on this site who are upset when a white man isn't a hero. I clearly don't watch the same movies as you do to see anti-white propaganda. Anti-white propaganda isn't good business for a movie studio either, but just because a movie has a white male villain and a non white or a non male protagonist, it doesn't mean that it's anti-white or anti-male.
I am saying that people are more likely to spend money when they see representation.
I haven't said that anyone was being ignored, but historically having all white American movies and tv shows was common.
I assure you that there are plenty of people on this site who are upset when a white man isn't a hero.
Anti-white propaganda isn't good business for a movie studio either
just because a movie has a white male villain and a non white or a non male protagonist, it doesn't mean that it's anti-white or anti-male.
First of all, no where did I say that there wasn't politics involved. In fact, I said that there is. I just don't think that politically motivated casting choices are as prevalent as so many people think they are. Please point out where this is the majority? All I've said is that I'm not seeing it outside of a couple of cases.
Then like I said, the problem is on your end, not ours. Whether it's major blockbusters like Star Wars and superhero movies, or oscar-bait films, Hollywood has doubled and tripled down on its representation, which to them means the less whites the better, and if there are whites, make them bad, dumb, or both. Unless they're white women, in which case make them overly strong, smart, masculine, and/or unattractive. And if they're villains, make them sympathetic.
shareOkay, so you aren't actually providing examples.
If you don't believe me that it's money, that's fine. I have no agenda here. I just don't care.
The 2021 Hollywood Diversity Report states
Of the top 185 films of 2020, more than half were released via streaming platforms only.
Of the films that had a theatrical release, minority audiences accounted for the bulk of ticket purchases.
Films with casts that were at least 21% minority enjoyed the highest online viewing ratings among all racial groups in the all-important 18–49 age category.
Women and people of color gained ground in all job categories tracked by the report: lead actors, total cast, writers and directors.
People of color and women are still underrepresented as film writers and directors and typically helmed lower-budget films.
Okay, so you aren't actually providing examples.
The 2021 Hollywood Diversity Report states
Ummm. We are talking about Hollywood movies, are we not? Just because the report has diversity in the title you think they are making up the numbers?
Fine. The numbers are made up. Hollywood wants all whites dead and replaced by China. The pandering to China has nothing to do with the billion plus people there who like to watch movies and everything to do with replacing the US government with Communist Chinese one.
Ummm, are you really that naive? Of course they'd make up their own numbers and data, they'd be out of a job and irrelevant otherwise. And with a name like that, why wouldn't you suspect them? There’s no way for us to see, let alone verify, that their claims are true, where as we can see for ourselves that successful franchises, including those starring a mostly mono-racial cast (white or non-white) have attracted a diverse fanbase, proving that diversity isn’t nearly as big of a factor in profits and popularity as Hollywood and the media are claiming. Race-washing is not answer, no matter the context.
I never denied that China is a source of income for them. China is also what the Left thinks America is: a largely racist nation with a particular hatred for black people. As for whether Hollywood wants all whites dead and wants China to be their new masters, many celebrities, even white celebrities, have gone on record stating their hatred for whites, and have either supported China or otherwise ignored China's racist and inhumane actions.
“People want to see people who look like them represented in film”
Exactly! That is why Squid Game was such a huge success worldwide - because all possible ethnicities and nationalities were represented in the cast.
Yeah, and Crazy Rich Asians was a huge success too. Squid Game was not a western production and Asian societies tend to be more homogeneous. (Foreign born residents in Korea is 2.3 %). Same with Eastern European countries. The west, is not.
The US is only 60% white these days. As a business, why would you only want to target 60% when you could include more people and aim for 90%?
I agree - money is the sole motivator for studios. And as for the politics side of it, all the outrage does is generate interest so loads of these alarmists are hate-watching, which is the same as watch-watching for the guys who make the money.
shareThis is a ridiculous claim. Unless you are a racist who thinks that minorities have no imagination.
When I read Ramayana as a kid I didn't imagine the characters as Western knights.
When I read Romance of the Three Kingdoms I can perfectly well imagine a world populated by only Asian people.
There is absolutely no scientific reason an African or a South American can't do the same. In fact I know they do because the internet is filled with posts and video of Black, Asian and Latino fans being just as angry as the "inherently racist" "whites".
Woke programming is nothing about widening the audience and everything to do with widening the diversity of the cast. I've yet to see a single example of any story that has been improved by making it 'woke'.
"But there is no "correct" way to do an interpretation because you just can't please everyone."
Well don't interpret it then. Film it as it is.