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Is This Joker an Incel, Or Could He Seduce a Woman?

posted 5 years ago by cyberbob (3488)
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The movie doesn't give us a clear answer to this question

The media in the build-up to release insisted that Joker was an incel icon, but the character himself is not necessarily an incel. Some versions of him have him banging Harley Quinn and in others he is maybe asexual

This portrayal did not depict him as sexually-frustrated. His delusions of being with Zazie Beats is shown to be more related to loneliness and longing for human connection than desire for sex

Also, incels usually lust after white, blonde women with no kids. Joker's attraction to Zazie shows a more sophisticated palate than found among the typical incel

Plus it is quite possible that he did make her laugh that one time in the elevator, so he might have some "game" that he could cultivate if he were able to improve his mental health

And lastly, his balletic dancing is charged with sensual intensity. I find it hard to believe that a man with such moves would be repulsive to the female race

[–] prayformojo (101) 5 years ago

"Incels" don't exist. The word is a weaponized, political creation used as a tool to divide and demonize (mostly targeted at straight white men). Notice that a homosexual cannot be an incel, a woman cannot be an incel, people of other races cannot be incels, and yet I can find you people in all of these groups who want to have sex but don't. The word incel is really projection at it's core: EVERY SINGLE HUMAN has at one time or another been rejected by a potential love interest. But in the twisted mentality of today, this feeling has been projected outward: that only happens to "incels."

Look very carefully at anyone who uses the word incel as you are likely dealing with somebody with an agenda.

[–] cyberbob (3488) 5 years ago

Incels in incel online communities adopted the moniker first. If they choose to self-label this way then there is no reason to pretend like they don't exist. I've visited incel forums. There are incels in those places who are asian, black, etc. Pretty sure gay people can be incels, it's maybe just harder because gay culture often involves promiscuous sex with strangers. Kinda easy to get laid under those circumstances

The fact that the media has sensationalized a few violent incidents to make these people seem like terrorists is nothing new. It was the media that turned the country pro-war after 9/11. That is what they do. Stir the pot to gain ratings and therefore profits and then turn around and pretend that they are doing it for the sake of keeping the public informed

But yeah, incels are a real thing

[–] papamihel (1616) 5 years ago

Why does that matter?

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

He probably could, I think he seeks connection and understanding over a quick fuck so if a woman could get past his oddness, or perhaps be drawn by it he would probably do alright.

[–] Windsaar (324) 5 years ago

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[–] naDaht (1087) 5 years ago

I'm pretty sure he could get laid. Because somewhere underneath it all Arthur seems to a pretty decent guy. But just being accepted for who he is, mental illness and all. Much like many of us he was trying to find his place in the world but not really knowing who he is, this is really hard.