By Far Tarantino's Worst Movie


For a few reasons -

1. Barely any plot and the characters weren't particularly interesting

2. Sharon Tate survives the movie so we don't even get the big finale that the movie alludes to for over 2 hours

3. The Bruce Lee scene - now i'm not too bothered about protecting Bruce Lee's legacy, but this scene just came across as goofy and fantastical. If you're going to portray one of the most famous men to have ever lived, at least reflect his real-life persona in a believable way

4. DiCaprio - i've enjoyed a few of his performances in the past (he peaked with What's Eating Gilbert Grape if you ask me) but he's just trying too hard in his recent movies. He doesn't come across as natural at all. He needs to drop the intensity down a few notches.

5. Hardly any rewatchability. If I can say anything about Tarantino's movies it's that they have great rewatchability. I've seen Pulp Fiction a thousand times, Django, Inglourious, Kill Bill all many times. i've even seen Death Proof a few times. But this is the first Tarantino movie that I don't have the immediate urge to rewatch. Not even a little bit. In fact I think i'm going to watch Jackie Brown to wash the taste of this movie out of my mouth, haven't seen that in a while.

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I would not say it's his worst film by far but it is near the bottom. It isn't any worse than Death Proof which was completely insufferable at times with practically every female character talking like Tarantino.

Don't know if I'd agree with all your points but I do agree with your first and fifth ones, and like you I think Tarantino films usually have great rewatch value. Not even sure what it is about them that makes it that way. Apart from the scene where Pitt visits the hippies and the end scene, I wouldn't bother rewatching the rest of this. At least those scenes have a sense of tension, danger and excitement. Nothing else does.

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The rewatchability comes from several things - memorable dialogue (Royale with Cheese anyone?), great set pieces (take the bar scene in Inglourious Basterds) and interesting characters you care about. This movie had none of those.

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Yes that's true. Tarantino's forte is these dialogue driven set pieces filled with tension. You had them in True Romance, in Pulp Fiction, in Inglourious and Django, but they were missing in this. Each one featured memorable dialogue between antagonist and protagonist and you were never quite sure what was going to happen at the end. The only thing that came close in this was the end scene but it never produced the sort of dialogue or tension of those previous scenes. Considering it's a film that features Manson and his Family, it feels like a missed opportunity. It lacked an antagonist.

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This is why I say it's even worse than Death Proof. At least that movie had a great set piece at the end with the Dodge Challenger which was masterfully shot.

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"1. Barely any plot and the characters weren't particularly interesting"

You don't need plot. Film worked without it, and this comes from someone who thinks plot should be nr.1.

The film had a driving force, and it was the year 1969 with the Manson murders lurking in the backround.

"2. Sharon Tate survives the movie so we don't even get the big finale that the movie alludes to for over 2 hours"

You still get a big finale.

"3. The Bruce Lee scene - now i'm not too bothered about protecting Bruce Lee's legacy, but this scene just came across as goofy and fantastical. If you're going to portray one of the most famous men to have ever lived, at least reflect his real-life persona in a believable way"

I agree. This was the worst part of the film, and a giant miscalculation by Tarantino.

"4. DiCaprio - i've enjoyed a few of his performances in the past (he peaked with What's Eating Gilbert Grape if you ask me) but he's just trying too hard in his recent movies. He doesn't come across as natural at all. He needs to drop the intensity down a few notches."

Intensity is his trademark. He does it very well and it's one of the reasons he's the biggest (and best) actor in the world. That and the fact that he makes good movies. Are you telling me that his performance in Wolf of Wall Street was bad? He was perfect in that. Was The Revenant bad? Departed? Aviator?

"5. Hardly any rewatchability. If I can say anything about Tarantino's movies it's that they have great rewatchability. I've seen Pulp Fiction a thousand times, Django, Inglourious, Kill Bill all many times. i've even seen Death Proof a few times. But this is the first Tarantino movie that I don't have the immediate urge to rewatch. Not even a little bit. In fact I think i'm going to watch Jackie Brown to wash the taste of this movie out of my mouth, haven't seen that in a while."

Pulp Fiction is in a class of it's own. I have only seen Django and Inglorious once, and I want to rewatch this one more than the others.

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"Intensity is his trademark. He does it very well and it's one of the reasons he's the biggest (and best) actor in the world. That and the fact that he makes good movies."

DiCaprio is far from the best actor in the world, he's not even as good as his co-star in this movie. His intensity doesn't seem organic, it feels like it's coming from a place of insecurity. He's too baby faced to play tough guy characters. His performances aren't bad, they're just rarely if ever fully convincing.

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Agree to disagree. I think it's a reason he's at the top.

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The more I rewatch this movie the more I want to see it again. It is so well done that I just become a part of the film in some weird way. I think it is one of his best. The people who don't like it generally like IB and Django a lot. I have only seen those two movies a few times.

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IB and Django are just his more recent movies so a more relevant comparison.

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The thing is that even after making IB and Django, Tarantino makes a more thoughtful, beautiful film is a credit to his versatility as a director. I really love it now, even though at first I was a bit thrown off by the film due to the fact that it was so different. I remember the same thing with Jackie Brown. People were expecting Pulp Fiction part 2 and instead they got more of a character study of the two main characters. People weren't sure what to think of it. Now, after 20 plus years, Jackie Brown is one of my favorite Tarantino movies, OUATIH is up there also.

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4. DiCaprio - i've enjoyed a few of his performances in the past

Again, I would agree with you except for one scene that made me pause.
https://moviechat.org/tt7131622/Once-Upon-a-Time-in-Hollywood/5d2402bc6a04f70615f5e9fe/who-is-a-better-actor-brad-pitt-or-leonardo-decaprio?reply=5e09193edcc4ab665418ce7e

How old are you? It's not an accusation or insult... it's just that I suspect this movie appeals to those of us who grew up in that era. I think I bored my wife with all the pop culture references that were whizzing by in the background.

QT is only five years younger than I am. I suspect this movie is a Valentine to a long-gone Hollywood. If you're much younger it probably doesn't have the same appeal.

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I am close to Tarantino's age, so I do understand that younger people just might not get it. The movie is so well done that there were times that I almost forgot that the movie was filmed recently. He did a great job.

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1. Barely any plot and the characters weren't particularly interesting.

This was less of a story and more about reminiscing about a particular place and time. I agree that it is atypical QT.

I found the bromance between the main characters refreshing, but Sharon Tate was a blank. Apparently, she was only meant to be a symbol and not a character, according to QT.

2. Sharon Tate survives the movie so we don't even get the big finale that the movie alludes to for over 2 hours.

Alternate history. He's done it before.

Also I think the finale -- flamethrowers, cans to the face, dog ripping out testicles -- would qualify as big, no?

3. The Bruce Lee scene

I thought like you on this one until I read some of the other threads and then re-watched the scene. This one is way misunderstood. This scene is a memory that plays out in Pitt's mind... we can assume that he's remembering in such a way that he -- Cliff -- comes out looking good.

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I agree, was disappointed. If it didn't have Tarantino's name attached people would see it as average at best.
Quentin was at his best in the 90ties, he got hurt because Jackie Brown was misunderstood. Took a 3 year long pause to make an ok movie like Kill Bill just to suck up to fans who wanted another Pulp fiction. Django unchained was underwhelming, so was Hateful eight. Inglorious basterds is a masterpiece but I can't watch it more than once, every single character in that movie is revolting.
Once upon a time in Hollywood is too slow, no plot, no strong chars, no message.

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