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Roger Avary finally gets rightful co-writing credit for Pulp Fiction


In the trailer for his new film Lucky day it presents him as "ACADEMY AWARD WINNING CO-WRITER OF PULP FICTION"

That'll teach Quentin to be a serial backstabber to his old friend and colleague.

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How is it "finally"?

He got credit, and an Oscar, when the film came out. Plus he wrote and directed a film that got heavily promoted as "From the makers of Pulp Fiction.

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Read this book excerpt and you'll understand.

Start reading at "When he was going into production on Pulp, just into 1994,"
https://books.google.com/books?id=v5c9bxUGzioC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=avary+tarantino+cfi+color+timing+he+wanted+avary+to+sign+it+and+fax+it+back+immediately.+According+to+Avary,+tarantino+tried+to+persuade+him+that+this+was+a+good+deal,+saying,+%22Yeah,+but+look,+you'll+get+story+by,'+you+and+me,+and+the+writing's+for+me,+but+the+fact+of+the+matter+is,+that+middle+story+us+yours,+but&source=bl&ots=Z0uylylHas&sig=ACfU3U28HtFXTDuh8_eKD7XZScU-f1CD5Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir7dn1-rLkAhUQKK0KHV-tALcQ6AEwAHoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=avary%20tarantino%20cfi%20color%20timing%20he%20wanted%20avary%20to%20sign%20it%20and%20fax%20it%20back%20immediately.%20According%20to%20Avary%2C%20tarantino%20tried%20to%20persuade%20him%20that%20this%20was%20a%20good%20deal%2C%20saying%2C%20%22Yeah%2C%20but%20look%2C%20you'll%20get%20story%20by%2C'%20you%20and%20me%2C%20and%20the%20writing's%20for%20me%2C%20but%20the%20fact%20of%20the%20matter%20is%2C%20that%20middle%20story%20us%20yours%2C%20but&f=false

Read on to "Counters Tarantino, "The things that Roger thinks are betrayal".
https://books.google.com/books?id=v5c9bxUGzioC&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=avary+tarantino+the+natural+way+things+change+pandemonium+reigns&source=bl&ots=Z0uylylH9u&sig=ACfU3U1-ChzdEM2XEuOLezdUfLRMdaLR5A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwim1oDy-rLkAhUKbq0KHfgQCScQ6AEwCHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=avary%20tarantino%20the%20natural%20way%20things%20change%20pandemonium%20reigns&f=false

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I know about Roger and Quentin. He argued and got co-credit on Pulp Fiction for mainly the concept of one section of Pulp Ficition and shared the Oscar that they walked on stage arm in arm to receive, and it kick started his career. His career has gone as well as Tarantino's so since then he's blabbed about every slight that he now perceives QT has done to him, in hindsight.

To say that he finally got credit is just wrong. He's always had it and it still hasn't been taken away, no matter how much he had to insist that he got it in the first place.

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Aside from the gold watch story (and the whole section of dialogue in the motel bathroom where Butch and Fabienne discuss where they can afford to go with the money); the missed bullets in the apartment, the accidental shooting in the car and the gimp were all Avary's brainchild. So bottom line, if a screenplay contains significant contributions from someone that crucially impact the flow of the story isn't it logical that they are rightly entitled to full co-writing credit and shouldn't be so crassly and childishly hornswoggled out of it in place of a measly 'story by' credit as should be obvious from the book excerpt above?

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He got co-credit. He wasn't "hornswoggled" out of anything.

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He and Tarantino are both listed under the credit "story by". What is measly about that?

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Story credit and screenplay credit are not the same thing, there's a difference. Mere story content and contributing lines of dialogue and complete scenes logically merit a full hand in the screenplay its self and not mere story elements.

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WGA determines how those credits are made. If Tarantino kept the concept but significantly changed the dialogue than Avary doesn't deserve a writing credit. If Avary came up with ideas that Tarantino wrote the dialogue for he doesn't get a writing credit. The amount of writing needed to earn a credit is higher than a few scenes and ideas, regardless of their significance to the plot.

He still won an Oscar for his work so I don't understand how you perceive him to have been slighted.

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Well from that explanation I guess I understand better now, but from that book excerpt above you got to admit the way Quentin handled it was kind of crass and childish don't you think?

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But then it's only Avary's side of the story. So it sounds crass, if you adopt only his perspective in lieu of Quentin's.

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Avary KILLED someone with his car while DRINKING AND DRIVING.

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That’s right. He also went to prison for it.

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didn't he get an award for both Reservoir Dogs AND Pulp Fiction though?

it wasn't a secret, like

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Yeah. And he got a movie produced with "From the maker of Pulp Fiction" all over the poster too. IT's not like he was ever even remotely denied recognition in the public eye.

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There was a time when these two guys were the film-making equivalent to Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

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