DiCaprio AGAIN?!
Meh.
PLEASE find SOMEONE else to work with Marty, I'm begging ya!
It says De Niro is in this.
Happy now?
Bob Deniro, Bobby Deniro or Robert Deniro?
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MovieChat Forums > Killers of the Flower Moon (2023) Discussion > DiCaprio AGAIN?!
At his age, with his current looks, he ought to be playing the main villain and not the young husband.
Horrible. Scorsese has this strange obsession with Decaprio. Every movie he's made with him in it stinks.
shareMy presumption is that DiCaprio can get Scorcese's movies financed, far more easily than Scorcese himself can.
Having read the book, I don't know about this one. Leo is far too old to play the character he's playing, and I don't see any reason the movie needs to be twice as long as the average film. The heart of the book was the story of one extended family, and while a certain amount of time would need to be spent on establishing a milieu unfamiliar to modern audiences, surely the story of the family could be told in 120 minutes?
Also having read the book, DiCaprio character is not the main character. His role in the book is very small but pivotal, so I am guessing Scorsese rewrote the movie to give him a much bigger part. Not sure how this will work out for the movie in terms of the story.
shareYa think that Leo's part might be expanded???
Basically, I think he took the part because Scorcese wanted him on board to help with the financing, he can't resist being part of the big Oscar-bait production of the year, the role is indeed pivotal and will be the focus of the last act, and it pairs him with a much younger woman.
I don’t think Scorsese needed DiCaprio at all to get funding. He was able to get funding for an over 3 hour $200 million dollar film several years ago. If Scorsese asks DiCaprio will do it. I just was hoping they would put more focus on Plemmons FBI agent as he is arguably one of the co-leads.
shareI strongly suspect that funding has a heck of a lot to do with the ongoing relationship between Scorcese and DiCaprio, but of course that's only a guess. Maybe it's also because comparatively few serious dramas are being made these days, and Leo likes doing serious dramas, so he sticks with a director who can be trusted to make good ones.
But seriously, a lot of these actor-director partnerships are helped along by funding issues, as well as personal-professional compatibility. Like Tim Burton and Johnny Depp, whose long partnership really brought out the worst in each other.
I know he's middle-aged, but does he look and sound like a grownup yet?
shareMy presumption is that DiCaprio can get Scorcese's movies financed, far more easily than Scorcese himself can.
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That's it. It bears remembering that for a long time there, Robert DeNiro was not much of a bankable star; he was a "prestige actor." He needed to be in some hit movies -- The Untouchables, Midnight Run and Backdraft evidently got him "in touch with the masses."
It also bears remembering that Scorsese had a VERY tough 80s after Raging Bull. Movies like The King of Comedy, After Hours, and The Last Temptation of Christ were noteable but not hits. The Color of Money wasn't a particularly memorable film. "Goodfellas"(with a newly bankable DeNiro) would re-start Scorsese's career, but he never forgot what it was like to "not get the money."
That's where Leo came in. Young(younger than the aging DeNiro.) Bankable. And hungry to work with a director of Scorsese's caliber.
"Killers of the Flower Moon" is an event in that Scorsese's "original bankable star"(DeNiro) is in a Scorsese movie for the first time with Scorsese's "later bankable star"(Leo.) But it turns out that not only did DeNiro and Leo work before(in "This Boy's Life") but that DeNiro recommended Leo to Scorsese in the first place.
So it all comes together.
Also: it was "mutual": Leo got Scorsese financing; Scorsese gave Leo "prestige credibility." But sure it is so: in so many movies, Leo just looks too young for the part. In Shutter Island a tough period cop, Leo looked like a boy wearing his father's oversized overcoat and hat. And even if he was the RIGHT age to play Young Howard Hughes, he looked too young.
Leo's youth worked when the character was youthful. Gangs of New York. The Departed. And even (with some age and sex appeal on him) in The Wolf of Wall Street.
Still, it does seem like Leo DiCaprio got the luckiest movie career on earth. Titanic to make him a young superstar. The great Scorsese to keep him in quality movies. Plus Tarantino. Plus an Oscar .
>> Leo's youth worked when the character was youthful. Gangs of New York. The Departed. <<
You've got a valid point there. He did seem tolerable in those Scorsese movies, and at least fit the character.
Leo's pushing 50 now, and while he still has a boyish face, I don't think the problem is so much his "youthful looks" but the fact he just didn't have the acting chops to pull off the roles he's given. I don't buy all this propaganda about what a "good actor" he is. He was a decent as a teen heartthrob type actor in the 90s and he managed to pull off stuff like Romeo & Juliet, but it's total cringe when they cast him as "J. Edgar Hoover" and so on. Reminds me when Jesse Eisenberg was ridiculed for being cast as "Lex Luthor" and did indeed suck in the role, just as we predicted he would.
I COULD tolerate DiCaprio in a Scorsese movie, but not in a "lead role" as some badass, grizzled tough guy. Not buying it!
> Leo's youth worked when the character was youthful. Gangs of New York. The Departed. <<
You've got a valid point there.
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Thank you.
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He did seem tolerable in those Scorsese movies, and at least fit the character.
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Kind of "luck of the draw." The WORST fit for me was in Shutter Island. As i noted above, he looked like a kid wearing his father's oversized overcoat and hat, "playacting".
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Leo's pushing 50 now, and while he still has a boyish face, I don't think the problem is so much his "youthful looks" but the fact he just didn't have the acting chops to pull off the roles he's given. I don't buy all this propaganda about what a "good actor" he is. He was a decent as a teen heartthrob type actor in the 90s and he managed to pull off stuff like Romeo & Juliet, but it's total cringe when they cast him as "J. Edgar Hoover" and so on.
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Yes, I saw the J Edgar performance(by the equally overrated DIRECTOR star, Clint Eastwood) and no....he didn't much pull off the part, especially as he aged.
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Reminds me when Jesse Eisenberg was ridiculed for being cast as "Lex Luthor" and did indeed suck in the role, just as we predicted he would.
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Which reminds me: we've got all these great Joker performances, where's the great Lex Luthor? Gene Hackman was authoritative and funny ...but refused to shave his head except for a few seconds of skull cap reveal. Kevin Spacey shaved his head(or wore a cap) but came off like Dr. Evil Eisenberg was...Eisenberg. Though his rather snobby and smug attitude came through...
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I COULD tolerate DiCaprio in a Scorsese movie, but not in a "lead role" as some badass, grizzled tough guy. Not buying it!
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Nope...but then as has been documented in this era. we don't HAVE a lot of stars qualified to play some badass, grizzled tough guy. Lee Marvin, Steve McQueen and Charle Bronson are gone.
I think Tarantino has used Leo better than Scorsese, only twice to date:
Django Unchained. Calvin Candie is a "child tyrant," living in the shadow of his late father as a plantation owner ,spoiled, enraging in his power over his slaves given his cutesie manner (his power lies in the thugs he has hired and his "power behind the throne," Sam Jackson's turncoat house Negro.) DiCaprio fit that role.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Leo here rather dared to confront the obvious: compared to a REAL macho guy(Brad Pitt's Cliff Booth, ALMOST a grizzled tough guy), Leo's TV star "fake tough guy" is a whiny, stuttering, insecure and rather silly man. A drunk, too. (And yet, Leo's "fake" hero lives in an expensive Hollywood house, th REAL tough guy is consigned to living in a trailer -- Hollywood works like that.)
Anyway, I can't say I've ever been a fan of Leo DiCaprio but his career is simply "success breeds success" and top directors WANT him, and he works for them(Scorsese, QT, Nolan) and his career keeps succeeding. Which in turn makes him richer and richer so all the women want him. Not very fair, but its how Hollywood works.
PS. Leo's "hidden specialty" is a fair talent for YELLING and SCREAMING. I think he demands scenes like that in all his modern movies: Calvin Candie at the dinner table; Rick Dalton at the Mansons in their crummy car, and to himself in the trailer over blown lines; The Wolf of Wall Street to his "team." Big yeller, Leo is. Its his schtick.
Man that is terrible. DiCaprio is not a “tough guy”. It’s so cringe.
He’d make a better “spider”.
The only way DiCaprio should be allowed near the set is if he brings his shine box.
shareWhy not a movie about Red Cloud or Crazy Horse or someone interesting, who doesn't need Leonardo DiCaprio to save them?
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