Wikipedia said the bad guy was trying to destory America by changing history. What would saving the Hindenburg and the people on it change history besides the zeppelin not catching on fire and exploding. Zeppelins instead of Jet aircraft used for air travel isn't gonna hurt American history that much. Makes me wonder what other historical events they will visit.
shareIn the book Pendragon, it's predicted that one of the passengers was a spy for Hitler who would have collected the Manhattan Project and brought it to Hitler, who would then bomb the *beep* out of every country that wasn't white.
sharePerhaps the point of altering history regarding the Hindenburg is simply to see if history can be altered. Or perhaps there was something on the Hindenburg that the villain wanted - like money presumed lost which he intends to use to bankroll his time-altering campaign. Not really going to know until the show airs.
shareAs others have stated, which was going to be my point of view, any one on the Hindenberg could have been a parent to someone who grew up to do who-knows-what.
As it is, the Hindenberg really stands as the single most notable incident to use to 'toy' with altering time.
9-11, Challenger explosion, even the Kennedy assassination, can all still be too close to tamper with in any such manner.
Christa McAuliffe and JFK Jr were supposed to have been my great-great grandparents.
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The Hindenburg was good propaganda for the Nazis. It was a real bummer for them when it was destroyed, and who knows how things might have turned out if it hadn't.
shareWell, in the show, the plot was still to destroy it, but to destroy it on the return flight.
Why they needed to SAVE the Hindenburg, however, in order to take out key people with a bomb, is not clear. Also why would it be as effective to take out those people in 37 as it would be to address the Lincoln era USA? Seems if you wanted to destroy the USA, you'd be better off going further back.
There's more to this than meets the eye. I only hope when it all gets exposed, it makes sense and isn't a bunch of poorly thought out drivel.
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> Seems if you wanted to destroy the USA, you'd be better off going further back.
In most classic time-travel stories -- and logically speaking, when someone goes back in time and changes anything, the changes happen instantaneously for all time going forward. Even the person that went back doesn't remember the original timeline -- if he even exists anymore. Any future time police shouldn't even know that there was a change.
So, for the premise in this show, if someone goes back and cripples the USA 90 or 200 years ago, it's a done deal and time police cannot fix it. They wouldn't even know where to look for any kind of change.
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So, for the premise in this show, if someone goes back and cripples the USA 90 or 200 years ago, it's a done deal and time police cannot fix it. They wouldn't even know where to look for any kind of change.
> and no one would know what ought to have been set "right."
Especially if the thing that needs to be set right is to let a disaster or murder happen, much like the Edith Keeler thing.
So far, it looks like the first and second episodes will involve the "bad guy" going back and stopping a disaster and the "good guys" having to go back and somehow let the disaster happen.
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I'm hoping it becomes less clear who the "bad guys" really are. Maybe it becomes evident that Judy et al are the ones messing up history.
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It's pretty obvious that more is going on than a simple Quantum Leap. The "bad" guys are from the far future and seem to have the woman's diary, so they know more about how the past should be than we do. So, maybe they are fixing the past. But then, they kill people. So, maybe they are bad. I'm sure that the whole thing is a 13-episode story arc and we won't be told anything for sure until about the 6th episode.
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But are they from the future, or have they simply gone there first? If they were from the future, why would they need this device?
It has potential for an interesting arc; I just hope it's handled intelligently.
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> But are they from the future, or have they simply gone there first?
That's sort of irrelevant. They are from the future either way. It's only a matter of how much time they spent in the future. They obviously saw something in the future that caused them to travel to the past and change things. And, it's not just a one-time thing like killing Hitler, it's a pattern of campaigns (one per episode, conveniently) to effect some major change.
It's been mentioned that maybe the goal is to destabilize America. Maybe the goal is to fix America. We don't really know yet.
But, one thing that seems apparent is that they won't be wholly successful in changing the past enough to accomplish their goals. For example, they have Lucy's diary, apparently written in the future. So, they know what should have happened when they went back to the Hindenburg. No one's going to go back in time if they knew they were going to die and several of the henchmen did die. So, they obviously didn't know that was going to happen.
But, they did blow up the Hindenburg and all of the major events of history seem to have happened just as they should have.
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Well it's a relevant question in that why would they have to steal THAT time machine if they're from the future? There could be reasons, but it factors in.
Yes, the diary means a lot. And may be key. We'll have to see. Might have been interesting if it turned out the past WE know, as the audience, was the changed version....
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> Well it's a relevant question in that why would they have to steal THAT time machine if they're from the future?
You could ask the same question if they are from the past or the present and they just traveled to the future, grabbed the diary and came to 2016. They obviously traveled via a time machine from the future. The question is still the same; why steal a 2016 time machine when they had one already?
> There could be reasons, but it factors in.
The typical answer in time travel movies is that their own machine broke or crashed or ran out of energy.
> Might have been interesting if it turned out the past WE know, as the audience, was the changed version....
That would be an interesting twist. But, so far, they missed that opportunity.
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If they just wanted the Nazi's to win why didn't they just take schematics of future guns and other tech with them then give them to the nazis.
share**SIGH*** Did you WATCH the episode through to the end? The "bad guy" wanted to blow up the Hindenburg on its RETURN voyage. They named a number of dignitaries who would be travelling to Europe on the Hindenberg's return voyage, among them Omar Bradley and the inventor of the helicopter. All of those famous people would have been killed. THAT'S why the "bad guy" had to prevent the Hindenberg disaster when it landed in New jersey...so there would BE a Hindenberg to fly those famous individuals BACK across the Atlantic, killing them via bomb in the process. Once it crash-landed in history, it burned to a crisp. Guess those people DIDN'T go to the coronation in England.
shareThat's what I understood as well. It wasn't that Goran's character wanted to stop the Hindenburgh from exploding. He just needed/wanted it to explode on its return trip, thus killing a different set of (important to history as we know it) people.
shareThe bad guy wasn't "saving" the Hindenburg to change history at all he was saving it upon its arrival so that he could destroy it for its return flight to Germany. When key US politicians, military folks, scientists who were vital for the US during WWII in his "original" history were scheduled to be on the return flight to Germany. To kill those people before the WAR breaks out.
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