So what will Hollywood urbanize next?
They've urbanized XXX, Annie, Death at a Funeral and now 24.
How about an urban Breakfast at Tiffany's? That would be awesome great. Or My Cousin Vinny.
They've urbanized XXX, Annie, Death at a Funeral and now 24.
How about an urban Breakfast at Tiffany's? That would be awesome great. Or My Cousin Vinny.
So what will Hollywood urbanize next?
you wont give him a chance because he's black. That's the definition of racism.
Uh, that's because television reflects society. The more minority groups gain representation in society, the more they gain representation in entertainment. I hate to break this to you but black and gay people exist in real life. It's not some propaganda to shatter your sheltered existence. Put down the tin foil hat and try interacting with people offline a little more.
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I hate to break this to you but black and gay people exist in real life. It's not some propaganda to shatter your sheltered existence....but BlairBitchProject beat me to it.
i agree with some of what you're saying. black lead usually means black movie/shows from a white audience.
and it usually gets an auto PC/SJW attached to it when there are main black characters with a mostly white cast.
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While I do agree with you that the "urbanisation" of pre-existing movies and tv shows is a bad thing (and yes, I am unequivocally a racist, deal with it) it's no different from what the rest of Hollywood is doing with their terrible remakes, reboots, remasters and rewrites.
Take the recent Ghostbusters - it would have been a trash movie regardless of whether it had unfunny women, black people, mexicans or top-shelf theatrical actors. This is the same for things like Robocop or Total Recall. They were unnecessary remakes/reboots of films that hold very high nostalgia for those who saw them "back in the day" (Yes, I am opening up a box of member berries). These projects are basically doomed from day one.
Back on topic though. The urban/ethnicisation of films and TV will continue to happen. Demographically in the USA the higher portion of those who watch a considerable amount of TV or go to films are black or latino (these groups are also pipped to become the majority populations within 20 years if Trump doesn't win). Add to that the weird leftist agendas of "everyone is equal" and forced multiculturalism and we're likely to see a lot more non-whites in TV/Film.
Personally though, despite my views on these demographics, I don't really care all that much about what goes in in TV/film. I rarely watch TV save for a few shows, and haven't paid to see more than 1 film in the last 5 years.
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@Blathnat69
I knew at least some of you whiny a** racists would be whining about a brother replacing Jack Bauer---hell, that's par for the fckg course nowadays. Lets get this s*** straight right now---white people have dominated movies and TV virtually for close to a century now. Black writers/directors/producers are stepping up more and more behind the scenes to write and direct programs showing the diversity of today's society. That has nothing to do with some damn leftie/SJW (whatever the fck that is) agenda. That's just showing what American society looks like TODAY in this day and age. That's what you mfkg racists can't stand/deal with and that's what really pisses you the hell off. Plus most movies and TV are still 99% white, so once again, what the fck do you even have to complain about? Nothing! You just can't stand the fact that the face of society is changing, so you damn racists want to cling to your tired-a**, out-of-date fantasy of America staying a lily-white society. GTTFOOH with that bull****.
And about this "urbanization" thing, why do white people always have this ignorant asumption that the only damn places black folks live are in the inner cities? I'm black, grew up in a Midwestern suburb, then moved to the city as an adult. Point being that black people live everywhere---farms, the country, the suburbs, overseas, wherever. We (black people and other people of color) are Americans too, and we want to see ourselves reflected in the media, because we ARE real, we exist, and we have lives and stories also worth telling in movies and TV. White people no longer have a damn claim on that----their stories have already been told until they're beaten into the ground. Everything isn't about y'all any damn more, so hurry up and get the hell over it. The whole damn world dosen't revolve around white people any damn more. Society will change with or without you, like it always has and always will. If you can't deal with that, that's just too damn bad.
And if you don't give a damn about TV, then why the hell are you even commenting on this show? It's on TV. You just can't stand the idea of a white male hero being replaced by a black male hero? Well, luckily, the TV business dosen't give a damn what you think. Both Hollywood and TV cater to the audiences that make them the most money, like they're always done, and since (younger) black and Hispanic audiences are also growing, they're going where the money is, like any other business. That's what really driving it, and Hollywood is nowhere near as liberal as you think it is (tired of hearing this old tired a** right wing myth) otherwise there would have never been any need for an #OscarSoWhite issue. I'm done. I'm gonna kick back and have fun watching the new Jack Bauer while you waste your precious breath whining about the fact that he's not white (yawn). LOL! Besides, the old JB already had his damn day--it's past time for a new face.
Dont even waste your breath. as a 24 fan, i was excited to see it come back and i ran to the boards, im very disappointed that his race seems to be the concern.
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activista, I totally agree with your entire comment and I'm a middle aged white guy that lives in Alabama. I look forward to all the racists/Trump-fascists either wising up or going extinct.
sharewhite people have dominated movies and TV virtually for close to a century now. Black writers/directors/producers are stepping up more and more behind the scenes to write and direct programs showing the diversity of today's society. That has nothing to do with some damn leftie/SJW (whatever the fck that is) agenda. That's just showing what American society looks like TODAY in this day and age. That's what you mfkg racists can't stand/deal with and that's what really pisses you the hell off. Plus most movies and TV are still 99% white, so once again, what the fck do you even have to complain about? Nothing! You just can't stand the fact that the face of society is changing, so you damn racists want to cling to your tired-a**, out-of-date fantasy of America staying a lily-white society. GTTFOOH with that bull****.
@lenienien1
Oh,thanks,lol! When I first saw that trailer, I knew the racist trolls would be rolling out in full force trying to rationalize why the hell they can't stand the new lead in the new 24----when they know damn well if he was white, they wouldn't be whining about him as much as they are now. Every time a black person is cast in a nontraditional role (like the lead for a change) you got some idiot-a** racist trolls throwing a damn fit like spoiled-a** little kids who got their toys taken from them---if a white man isn't in the lead of something they like (even though it rarely happens often enough for them to complain about, but they're still b**** about it any damn way. God forbid a white man not be in the lead of something for a change---they'll throw themselves off the damn roof screaming and raging about it,lol. Apparently some white folks still act they cant relate to a black character onscreen,no matter how much they might have in common,yet black film and TV viewers are already long used to not seeing anyone that looked like us onscreen for decades, yet we still learned to find something in a particular character to relate to, regardless. Nowadays, with more black filmmakers producing more films more films, we have a lot more options to see more realistic and relatable black characters onscreen, thank goodness.
Screw these silly racist haters. The show's gonna be good, whether their silly a**** like it or not,lol.
House, MD, could be redone as Hizzy, M-Dizzy.
shareA black guy can't be added to a show without it being considered an "urbanization"? They didn't turn his character into a street thug fighting justice, what is so "urban" about it?
shareJeez, enough with "urbanize". Sounds like some folks here could benefit from watching Carlin's riffs on YouTube about polical correctness. Urbanize sounds so painful to my ears. If someone has a direct pro lem with a black person or "blackness", then flippin man up & own that isht. Ignorance masked behind a word designed to inveigle and obfuscate is still ignorance. Using a PC word doesn't make you any less of a donkeyhole.
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Hollywood and it's PC agenda doesn't stop at rebooting a show or movie and putting ethnic characters in the lead, it tends to whitewash in it's own right. Case in point, Sum of All Fears. Anyone who has read the book(raises hand) knows that the antagonists were Islamic fundamentalist terrorists however the movie turned them into white neo Nazis. Also, recently there has been calls for Hollywood to turn James Bond black, turn Elsa into a lesbian, make Capt. America gay, etc. Good idea if you want to lose money hand over fist. And that's what ends up happening. Ghostbusters-2016 was a flop as was the Annie remake. Hell, DC Comics took a hit by turning Alan Scott, the original Green Lantern gay and by having Superman renounce his American citizenship. And when it comes to this show, what people are seeing is Hollywood basically trying to create a black Jack Bauer. There are original shows/dramas with black leads that do fine on their own. Scandal for one is a major hit. Comedies like The Fresh Prince, Good Times, The Jeffersons, What's Happening and Luke Cage is doing very well on Netflix. So it isn't just with predominantly black audiences so it isn't the color of the skin of the leads or whatever that gets people's goat. It's as the OP says is Hollywood's constant attempt at PCing up established movies/shows/characters. In some instances people don't care. I don't recall anyone balking at Billy D. Williams playing Harvey Dent. In fact, I know of several people who scratched their heads in disbelief at Tommy Lee Jones playing him in the series' 3rd installment. People also didn't appreciate Will Smith playing Dead Shot in Suicide Squad. Turning him straight gangsta didn't help matters there. So, to all of you safe spacers who are crying racism, there are several examples proving you wrong and proving the OP right. Hell, what do you think the backlash would be if they turned Shaft white or Asian?
Oh, and if you want 1 example of a white cast TV show being urbanized and being greatly successful, look no further than Sanford & Son.
1) you forgot Caddyshack( who's your caddy), The Wizard of Oz ( The Whiz) and Dracula (Blacula)
2) why is it a bad thing that some people get annoyed that black people complain that they don't get enough main roles, Big parts, etc. But then go ahead and make/ act/ star in remakes of white movies turned black instead of coming up with original ideas and scripts for movies and shows? I mean, I am a big believer that there are many great black actors, but it's insulting to blame white people for the lack of black stars. Were any of you at any auditions for any movie that starred white people, where you believed a part should have went to a specific back actor? I haven't. And I ask because I have never heard any famous black actors make claims that they were screwed out of a part because the casting director wanted a white actor. It's nonsense that anyone has the balls to blame white people for every damn problem
3) for the person who claimed that white people have done the same often, in which they remade a black movie with white actors: please give me the list of movies in which this happened.
@soad307
And I ask because I have never heard any famous black actors make claims that they were screwed out of a part because the casting director wanted a white actor.
Do your research and look up some famous and non-famous black actors and actresses, and you will find a good number of them who have talked about how hard it was for them to get roles when starting out in the business because they're black, or how they were limited to only certain roles again because they're black. Almost every black actor I can think of over the age of 40,to some extent, has a story like that---believe me, just because you're never heard about them doesn't mean that they're never had problems with racism. And nobody is blaming white people for EVERY damn problem---where the hell did you even get that from? The fact is, is that racism is still obviously a problem in Hollywood as it is everywhere else in this country---otherwise there would have been no need for an #OscarSoWhite protest. The real problem is that white folks like you still don't want to admit that racism still exists and is still being, so you just rather flip it back on black folks and claim that we don't know what the hell we're talking about, or that we're just making a big damn deal over nothing. I call bull**** on that---if y'all would actually LISTEN to us about how badly racism affects, instead of just blowing us the fck off because you don't feel like listening to us, you would actually LEARN something that isn't all about you for a change.
1) you forgot Caddyshack( who's your caddy), The Wizard of Oz ( The Whiz) and Dracula (Blacula) 2) why is it a bad thing that some people get annoyed that black people complain that they don't get enough main roles, Big parts, etc. But then go ahead and make/ act/ star in remakes of white movies turned black instead of coming up with original ideas and scripts for movies and shows?
Because it's stupid for people to even get annoyed about it---it obviously means that they don't even understand, or haven't tried to understand what the real issue is, to begin with. First of all, only one of those films you mentioned was even a box-office hit,and they're old films--you should have named a more recent one,like DEATH AT A FUNERAL. And so what if they're remakes of white films? That's been going on for years--nothing new there--that's not even the issue here---you got that backwards. And because original black indie dramas are made all the time (not in Hollywood,of course) but they don't get the promotion or distribution that the average white indie drama. Like, for example there was a pretty good black indie drama called 1982 that was made a few years back--about a black family in early '80s Philadelphia---but it didn't get a lot of distribution--the director had to go out and promote and distribute the film himself, in order for it to be seen. And that, unfortunately is the case with many black indie films made by black directors.
And also, Hollywood is mainly run by white people (white males in particular.) Meaning that they are still the ones who decide who is going to be a major movie star, and who isn't. They promote white actors and actresses all the time in and for different films and such, but they don't push and promote any black actors and actresses in the same manner, unless that particular black actor or actress makes it to Denzel or Will Smith status. And even still, there's only a very small pool of black actors at that sky-high star level.
However, MOONLIGHT, a brand new black indie film by writer/director Barry Jenkins (you're heard of that one?) and a pretty good original drama in itself, is unique in that it's actually been promoted like your average mainstream movie, it also might have a possible nomination in the future. That rarely happens to original black indie dramas---white indie dramas usually get most of the hype. There's the ignorant out-of-date racist perception (which unfortunately still exists in Hollywood) that if a film is about black or other non-white characters, that it isn't worth watching or promoting, and that's why a lot of black indie dramas get overlooked or barely promoted. That seems to be finally changing with the advent in MOONLIGHT, which sound great to me.
Also, the Oscar voting body has gotten a lot more diverse since last year---a lot more voters of color have signed up for membership, which is great. So something good did happen as a result of the #OscarSoWhite protests,at least.
You can only list three or four movies that have been "urbanized." Shall we count up all the movies that have white washed?
"Urbanized"? So Trump has made "urban" into a euphemism for black? Seems pretty inane.
Anyway, this isn't a black Jack Bauer, it's a different character, a former soldier, and the proportion of black soldiers is pretty high, so it's hardly unrealistic.
But the second season of "24" had an "urban" president, David Palmer. That was a stretch.
Can you name a comic based TV or Movie series where they haven't turned a character that's been white for decades black? Lately, hey seem to particularly have a fetish for doing it to redheads, themselves being an endangered "species".
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