"If we had had a Latin jury, we woulda had a picture of (O.J.) in a sombrero. There would have been a mariachi band out front. We woulda had a piñata at the upper staircase."
So apparently all Latinos are Mexican....and all Mexicans wear sombreros, love mariachi music and piñatas.
What a racist piece of sh*t. Ironic considering the major undercurrent of this documentary.
I agree, he was the worst. It really is sad that the case devolved into nothing but race. On facts alone OJ was guilty as sin, but the defense also knew it, so instead they had to come up with a different strategy than arguing the facts alone. And yeah, for a guy who spends nearly his entire time in the documentary so far talking about injustices against black people, it's very interesting that he chooses to stereotype other races so nonchalantly.
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It wasn't a stereotype! That's what a good lawyer will do, and Carl Douglas is one of the best.
shareI laughed at what he was saying - because I couldn't believe that he was actually saying this.
But it was very insightful into how this defense team worked.
He really stood out in Part 3.
Oh, he was an ahole but I was laughing in a way also because this guy was just something else. He seems like a piece of work.
shareI liked Carl, at least he spoke with candor.
shareI like the fact that Carl Douglas seems to speak honestly about this case. He's a regular legal correspondent on a sports radio show I listen to and although I've never heard him say it, his attitude suggests that they knew OJ was guilty but they "did what they had to do" in order to get him acquitted.
shareI agree, I will give him credit that he was very upfront about the fact that he was spinning nonsense. Barry Sheck actually wants people to believe the *beep* that he spewed.
shareIt's strange listening to Carl Douglas. He practically preens while playing the part of the sleaziest lawyer in town. "If the jury had been Latin there would have been sombreros"? He's practically a caricature.
shareYou really didn't get it. Douglas was simply expressing the means the defense would go to in order to get their client off. That is text book what the job of a defense attorney. The examples he used were clearly hyperbole. I can't believe you opened two threads in order to express the same inane point. Hyperbole. That's M-O-O-N, hyperbole.
shareI'm baffled as to how anyone could misinterpret his statement as racism. Honestly, I had to read the post twice to make sure that I understood.
shareIt's just crazy how people make light of the fact that this dude cold blooded killed his wife and an innocent man. I realize it's been 20 years now, and the lawyers were just doing their job, but a little introspection would not hurt them.
shareNo one has made light of Nicole's death. You are simply missing the fact that defense lawyers have a job to do, get the client off. I'm sure in the 20 plus yrs since they have taken time to reflect.
shareI literally did acknowledge the fact that they were doing their job. And they did a good job, they found an angle and went after it. This guy is sitting laughing about the case and the dirty tricks he pulled to get his murderer client off. How do you think the Goldman family feels watching this?
shareWhy should he give a s%%t at this point. Frankly I'm sick of the amount of publicity Fred Goldman receives. Lot of families of crime victims in this country, long forgotten. Goldman has a mic and camera in his face constantly for 20 plus yrs. I would have had more respect for him, if had put a hit on OJ.
shareI'm guessing you don't know the strategies defense lawyers use. It's a brilliant idea, but you missed the point.
shareIts kinda all of this. As an attorney, it can be a bit conflicting. Its your job - to be zealous for your client and that can involve quite morally ambiguous actions. Then you are also quite proud of yourself that you were creative and were able achieve a great result for your client. Then there is the competition between yourself and the other side who can be just as ruthless as you can be.
Lastly - after its over, you can look back and say - what did I actually do? Whom did I hurt... The least he could have been ultimately was a bit more insightful and introspective as to the damage he caused to the families, the victims, and the country instead of reveling in it.
Scheck on the other hand - he was my law professor shortly after the trial- he's a vacillates between being a true believer to the corruption of the cops/DA to a more nuanced opinion that he should not be judged on what he does for his client.
I never thought about what it takes to be a good defense attorney until OJ was acquitted. I'm black, and I was one of the few in my circle who didn't buy what they were selling. But I had to give credit to his team, because they their job, and they did it well.
Seeing as a lawyer cannot divulge information their client has shared, I believe attorney's (or at least some) have a conscience, that is beaten down. I can only imagine the information OJ's team has to live with.
there is an old adage " i would rather defend a guilty man than an innocent one " the reason being if you loose , a guilty man goes to jail , but the pressure to defend an innocent man is unbearable , try sleeping knowing that an innocent man is in jail
shareIt makes sense. It only takes the right set of circumstances for an innocent person to be convicted. It makes me shudder.
shareHa ha, I loved him. He was just explaining the brilliance of their team. His commentary was pure gold in this documentary.
shareDouglas, along with Cochran, never seemed to have a conscience about this case. It still seems like a game to them. Kardashian and Shapiro - slimeballs they may be - at least acknowledged they let a guilty man go free. I can respect them more.
sharefirst of all defense lawyer don't let anyone go , they present evidence and a judge and jury decide the fate , secondly the only person let go generally are white guys who commit rape , see stanford rape trial the guy was convicted of 3 felony counts and he got 6 months in jail , you get 3 dui and you at 180 days
shareI agree about that with Kardashian and Shapiro.
Kardashian stopped speaking to O.J he knew the truth and Shapiro admitted the Defense played the race card and it worked. Of course it did.
Kardashian and Shapiro needed to be accepted back into their gilded white world. Poor Kardashian had the added pressure of his own family. Cochran and Douglas didn't come from that world.
shareAccording to a recent interview with Marcia Clark, Kris Kardashian helped bringing in witnesses to the domestic abuse. So her husband probably knew about that part of it too. Which I'd say puts him in an awkward position.
the added pressure of his own family
Defense lawyers have no conscience. Isn't it the reason why most lawyers are hated? If they did, they will never win a case cause they will let their feelings get in the way. I love the way Douglas explained their strategy. I thought his commentary were good lessons for wannabe defense lawyers. I dont think he was explaining it in a nonchalant way. I just think that's the way he talks in real life. He didnt seem to be sad that OJ was found guilty in the robbery case and he's doing significant time.
shareDefense lawyers have no conscience. Isn't it the reason why most lawyers are hated?
If they did, they will never win a case cause they will let their feelings get in the way.
i say play the rules by the way they play the game , do you think cops will lie on the witness stand ? do you think cops will plant evidence ? do you think cops will cover for one another , the so called code of silence , you expect lawyers to play by the markus of queensbury rules while the other side is lying and cheating all with the cooperation of the prosecutor , so when they lie and cheat expect us to lie and cheat those are rules , if you want to change the rules punish the cop who lies in a double homicide w/ real time , like 20 years of jail time , instead furman was caught redhanded and did no jail time , change the punishment and watch how quickly they stop lying , but until then you play dirty we will play dirty , I'm sorry those are rules
shareDefense attorneys' place is to ensure innocent people are not convicted, and that even guilty clients' civil rights are not violated, or that they're unduly punished. They are not supposed to be unethical and merely want to win their cases at all costs.
You must live in a different world. Cause defense lawyers also make sure that people who are obviously guilty can also get away with it - with less punishment or no punishment at all. That's just the world we live in.
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Douglas, along with Cochran, never seemed to have a conscience about this case. It still seems like a game to them.
I liked him in the documentary, he is a lawyer do you expect? Lawyers want to win and convincing a jury is how it is done.
Yeah the guy was a mega dick but I think most lawyers are. His voice though, man that alone was enough to piss me off.
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