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Tiny bright spore.

posted 7 years ago by sunshine62 (254)
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At the end of Discovery 's jump back to the Prime universe the camera focuses on one tiny bright spore that lands on Tilly's shoulder .

Is this shot meant to be just an artistic/poetic close-up or is there something more relevant to that shot?

Voq broke Hugh's neck but then we find him in the spore drive network .

Is it possible that even M.Lorca is still "alive " in the network and he's trying to find a way to control someone from outside?

Maybe I'm simply giving to much credit to that tiny bright spore , but I can't help thinking it is of some importance somehow.

Any thoughts?

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Anything can happen as the show is still being written. So maybe your little bright spore is what will bring that storyline to fruition.

[–] sunshine62 (254) 7 years ago

by Ralph Macchiato:

Anything can happen as the show is still being written. So maybe your little bright spore is what will bring that storyline to fruition.

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@Thanks for considering my conjecture and making a comment...looks like the tiny bright spore was nothing more than an artistic close -up , after all..but it was fun just the same speculating.( biggrin)

I’m happy the Federation decided to listen to Michael and didn’t go through with the genocide of the Klingon race.

The Federation and its values and morals are an important aspect of Roddenberry’s vision of the future for humanity.

I’m happy the writers left this part pretty much untarnished ( depite having the federation using the expertise of a war criminal to win the war with the Klingons which would have had Gene cringe).

As I commented in a previous post : if there is truth in what the Federation states to believe and stand for, then even during war times it must be prepared, at all costs, to uphold those values and morals. (if we haven’t learnt that lesson within the next three hundred years , then I think there is no hope for us ).

So the USS Enterprise appears just before the end of the episode ...obviously Spock was not present at the ceremony but surely the crew of the Enterprise knows the war is over and is aware of Burnham's involment .
It is most likely that Spock never bothered to tell anyone that he even had a sister...Kirk and Bones had no idea that Ambassador Sarek and his wife, Amanda, were his parents.

Going by the looks Sarek and Michael exchange , it ‘s quiet probable that we will see Spock with Pike…unless HE IS an intergral part/has to do with Pike’s distress call. Maybe something happened to Spock .
One thing is for sure , it’s going to be harder for the writers to maintain continuity on track with Spock being now part of the show.

[–] plainstyle (172) 7 years ago

It was a relief that a truly awful plan was averted.

But did you notice it was Sarek that Mirror Georgiou called upon when she wanted to find an ally in her plan to destroy Qo'nos? It's not just because he's high ranking, but because he's Vulcan that this was made possible. It's been solidly established at this point (mostly by Enterprise, but also bits and pieces elsewhere) that Vulcans can do terrible things when "logic" suggests it will be beneficial to them. Then you have Sisko, who repeatedly crossed moral lines and could probably be called a war criminal. I love the Sisko as much as anybody, but MU Lorca and MU Georgiou were straight-up villains. Sisko was supposed to be a good guy! xD

Also, Star Fleet admirals and higher ups seem quite content to protect Section 31. Right from the days of Kirk, there's been a massive difference between Star Fleet's largely idealistic rank and file, and out-of-touch and/or corrupt higher ups at Star Fleet. I don't know what Roddenberry would have thought of everything from DS9 onwards, but at the very least from prior to that, he doesn't seem to have disagreed with the idea that absolute power corrupts absolutely. :/

[–] sunshine62 (254) 7 years ago

by plainstyle:
... I don't know what Roddenberry would have thought of everything from DS9 onwards, but at the very least from prior to that, he doesn't seem to have disagreed with the idea that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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@Roddenberry had an utopic vision of our future where MANKIND has resolved issue like famine, disease, racism ,violence and war.
Humanity is unified and has reached a standard moral behaviour .

TOS is not about war ,it’s a compelling journey in space , it’s about exploring new worlds, seeking out new life , new civilizations…it’s about wanting to widen our knowledge , make new discoveries that will help us and other races preserve our planets and better our lives.

What makes a story interesting though is drama /conflict so there were still villains in TOS but they were mainly represented by other races ,like the Klingons or the Romulans ..if they were human they turn out to be mental ,had health issues (depression) or had experienced some horrifying trama (Decker) , so they were not accountable for their erratic/at times criminal behaviour. Seldom were humans depicted as straight out greedy/corrupted people in TOS.

Gene was okay with non Human characters fitting the “absolute power corrupts absolutely“ description (Parmen..). There were also all powerful beings that sat arrogantly in judgment (Arena, Who Mourns for Adonais...)

Roddenberry died in 1991 so DS9 , which aired in 1993, was the first spin-off of the franchise in which Gene was not involved in , hence the dark tone which he definitely would not have agreed on .

The values and morals of the Federation represent the core of Roddenberry’s vision : an enlightened humanity in the future.

ST:D has nothing to do with exploration.

The truth is that drama ,conflict sell more and ultimately the producers want their shows to be successful and make money.

[–] plainstyle (172) 7 years ago

Interesting rant, but you assume a lot there. First, I am quite aware of Roddenberry's stated vision. I understand what he meant to do, but I'm talking about what was actually shown in the series. Sorry, but I don't believe those two have ever been the exact same thing (though they were surely close in some areas). If you aren't able to give an objective overview of the actual content of the series (or even just TOS and TNG), then we should probably stop here.

Second, I have watched all of the ST series, so you don't need to pretend I have no idea what TOS was about. Have you seen The Trouble with Tribbles, for example? A famous (and hilarious) classic episode, and also one in which you have Kirk repeatedly sassing a superior officer that he happens not to like, AND his officers get into a petty brawl with some Klingons, the humans being the ones to throw the first punch. Were all of them "mentally ill" too? Or were they just simple human beings displaying common human weaknesses?

[–] sunshine62 (254) 7 years ago

@ to plainstyle.
Thanks for the ..."interesting" . As for the ..... "rant" ....I'm sorry if you got that impression I was just trying to give you a detailed picture of my line of thought. No offense was intended.
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by plainstyle:
Second, I have watched all of the ST series, so you don't need to pretend I have no idea what TOS was about. Have you seen The Trouble with Tribbles, for example? A famous (and hilarious) classic episode, and also one in which you have Kirk repeatedly sassing a superior officer that he happens not to like, AND his officers get into a petty brawl with some Klingons, the humans being the ones to throw the first punch. Were all of them "mentally ill" too? Or were they just simple human beings displaying common human weaknesses?

@Definitely the latter...Kirk was having a bad day and his nerves/ frustration got the better of him , idem Scottie. Their behaviour could be labelled bad, disappointing, regrettable specially due to their rank but nothing more.

I don't see what this has to do with what we were discussing in the previous post ....immoral conduct and absolute power corrupts absolutely and how Gene represented these themes in TOS and TNG.

Personally , I noticed in TOS that these two negative behaviours are attributed mainly to non human villains ..like the Klingons or godly beings . Rarely are humans presented as straight out greedy/corrupt...they usually have some mental or health issues , so they aren't 100% responsable for their actions.

Wars are part of humanity's past , TOS is about its bright future :exploration, in search of new worlds, new lifeforms, new civilizations...

With Roddenberry dead, I think the darker tone in DS9 was purely a strategic choice because drama, conflict are more likely to makes a show more successful, hence more profittable .

This is the message I got watching TOS…if you arrive at a different conclusion that’s fine, I respect that.