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Queen Mary knew Philip’s mother since childhood


I was annoyed by the scene where Queen Mary and the Queen Mum gossip about Princess Alice at Philip and Elizabeth’s wedding as if they didn’t know her! They knew her very well. Her mother was George V’s first cousin and her father was one of George V’s closest friends. Alice was also a bridesmaid at Queen Mary’s wedding to George V!

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Did they/they both know her very well? She was an 8 year old bridesmaid at the wedding of one of them, before the 'Queen Mum' was born. The 'Queen Mum' said: "Would you look at the mother".

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Philip’s mother Alice was a Battenberg and she was a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria and a cousin of George V. The Battenbergs were considered members of the royal family in Victoria’s time even though technically, they were minor German royalty. She always called George V and Queen Mary “Aunt” and “Uncle” even though they were really just cousins. George VI was a close friend of Alice’s brother, Lord Mountbatten, from when he was in the British Navy. So yes, I would say that George VI’s wife the Queen Mum did indeed know who Alice was.

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Only way you can say that, is if they actually had any/regular contact with her over the years. Just because she was a bridesmaid/was related to the family/Mountbatten etc, doesn't prove that they/they both knew her personally, had regular contact etc.

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This is a ridiculous conversation. As a matter of fact, George V saved Philip’s father’s life when he was accused of treason by the Greek government. There are also photos of Alice as a little girl with them. Are you a troll or are you just obtuse? Alice’s mother was George V’s first cousin.

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Victoria had 9 children, 42 grandchildren(34 lived to adulthood, Alice’s mother was one of George V’s 36/28 first cousins), 87 great-grandchildren(which Alice was one).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandchildren_of_Queen_Victoria_and_Prince_Albert_of_Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_descendants_of_Queen_Victoria_and_King_Christian_IX

A family tree showing 7 of the children, 9 of the grandchildren, 11 of the great-grandchildren:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4d/b8/ca/4db8ca9135aafeed23c94ba9e189c1b2.jpg

This is a link to the photos they're in?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Wedding+of+Prince+George,+Duke+of+York,+and+Princess+Mary+of+Teck&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSrM2b_pfiAhUswqYKHd-8ArwQ_AUIDigB&biw=1600&bih=813

1885-1903 - Alice spent her childhood between Darmstadt, London, Jugenheim, and Malta. I.e. Alice and Mary did have some contact in this period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Early_life

1893 - Mary married one of the 42(34) grandchildren(in England), Alice was 8 and a bridesmaid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_of_Teck

1900 - Alice was 15, when Queen Mum was born(in England).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_The_Queen_Mother

1903 - Alice gets married(in Germany).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Marriage

1905 - Alice gives birth to Margarita(in Greece).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Margarita_of_Greece_and_Denmark

1906 - Alice gives birth to Theodora(in Greece).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Theodora_of_Greece_and_Denmark_(1906%E2%80%931969)

1908 - Attends the wedding of Grand Duchess Marie of Russia and Prince William of Sweden(in Russia).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Marriage

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1911 - Alice gives birth to Cecilie(in Greece).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Cecilie_of_Greece_and_Denmark

1912-13 - Acted as a nurse, assisting at operations and setting up field hospitals during the Balkan Wars(1912-13), work for which King George V awarded Alice the Royal Red Cross(don't know if that was in person).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Successive_life_crises

1914 - Alice gives birth to Sophie(in Greece).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Sophie_of_Greece_and_Denmark

1917 - Exile(in Switzerland).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Successive_life_crises

1920 - Return to Greece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Successive_life_crises

1921 - Alice gives birth to Philip(in Greece).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh

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1922 - The family flees from Greece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Successive_life_crises

The British Government had received news of the situation, and dispatched Calypso to evacuate the family. They boarded with minimal possessions. Philippos was carried onboard in a cot made from an orange box. The family were taken to Brindisi, Italy, where they were put on a train to Paris.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Calypso_(D61)

British diplomats assumed that Andrew was also in mortal danger. Andrew, though spared, was banished for life and his family fled into exile aboard a British cruiser, HMS Calypso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Andrew_of_Greece_and_Denmark#Exile_from_Greece

The family settled in a small house loaned to them by Princess George of Greece at Saint-Cloud, on the outskirts of Paris
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Illness

Alice being a relative of George V, might not have anything to do with the British Government helping the family of the Monarch in an allied country flee.

1923 - Queen Mum married one of the 87 great-grandchildren(in England).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_The_Queen_Mother#Marriage_to_Prince_Albert

1930 - Suffering a severe nervous breakdown, diagnosd at Tegel, Berlin, sanatorium in Kreuzlingen, Switzerland.
1930-31 - Her daughters all married German princes in 1930 and 1931 (she did not attend any of the weddings), and Prince Philip went to England to stay with his uncles/grandmother.
1932 - Central Europe
1936 - She maintained contact with her mother, but broke off ties to the rest of her family until the end of 1936.

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1937 - Her daughter Cecilie, son-in-law and two of her grandchildren were killed in an air accident at Ostend; she and Prince Andrew met for the first time in six years at the funeral in Germany(Prince Philip, Lord Louis Mountbatten and Hermann Göring also attended).

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1938 - She resumed contact with her family, and in 1938 returned to Athens alone to work with the poor, living in a two-bedroomed flat near the Benaki Museum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Illness

1940-45 - Alice lived in Athens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#World_War_II

1947 - Returned to Great Britain in April 1947 to attend the November wedding of her only son, Philip.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg#Widowhood

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You seem to be obsessed with proving that the Winsors didn’t know the Battenbergs, which isn’t true. Alice’s mother Victoria von Hessen was very close to her grandmother Queen Victoria. And Alice’s father was the head of the British Navy until World War I and was a confidant of Edward VII and George V. George V’s mother Queen Alexandra attended Alice’s wedding. You are a moron and a troll. Goodbye.

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