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She's not dark enough


I am frustrated that Hollywood continues to white wash Black women in studio films. Why??

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Ruth Negga is very talented and was great on the set. Hours of planning by all production people were spent on accuracy and proper placement of all actors. Look at the pictures and footage from the Loving story. Casting was spot on. Your comment is just dumb and unfounded. Sorry for your outlook.

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No, my comment is not dumb.

My point is vaild. The only spot on resemblance is Richard Loving.

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no it is, it's actually really really dumb. Borderline retarded actually. Give your head a firm wobble!

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I don't think the OP's post content is dumb at all. There is a problem with diversity in Hollywood. That's been stated repeatedly. Well, with that being the case, why is it appalling to think they are casting more actressses that are non black to portray black people than actual black actresses?

I like Ruth as an actress and think she will do well BUT I also believe there are other actressses that could've portrayed Mildred.


I think Sanaa Latham would've been a good choice. Someone posted a pic of the real Mildred and I immediately thought of Sanaa.



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No the real woman was very light, petite, I think this actress is a good choice.

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The real woman was light skinned, but she was tall and slim.

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So racist to judge black women for not being "black enough".


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It's racist to lighten up black women in order to appease white people. Ruth Negga is biracial, Mrs. Loving was not.

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Mildred Loving had African American AND Native American Ancestry. Have the people complaining about Ruth Negga not being black enough ever seen a picture of Mildred? I get where you are coming from but this is not the movie Nina.

The Real Mildred Loving

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/farewell/farewell_loving.jpg

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/richmond.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/50/05059634-fa4f-11e4-8bb9-b75241f2d4ea/5554c10a28548.image.jpg?resize=752%2C760

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I do think there's a tendency in Hollywood to not caste dark-skinned black women in "leading lady" roles. These ladies tend to get "coonery and buffoonery" roles like one Lesley Jones is apparently playing in the new Ghostbusters (the previews say it all) or wise older mother/grandmother roles and sidekick strictly secondary characters. But based on these links it's clear that Mildred Loving was not dark-skinned. I think Negga's looks fit the role well.

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To play Mildred Loving. Thanks,SelinaQuinzel for the photos.A picture tells a thousand words,and yes wins a debate! :)

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wow lol is this just based on guessing or...?

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Although I don't agree with the OP about Ruth, we need to stop classifying BIRACIAL (black/other) WOMEN as BLACK WOMEN. If someone has one bio parent that is something other than black, then they are biracial. Simple as that. None of that "Not black enough" crap. Her mother is a white woman.


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that's not entirely fair. I know a lot of biracial people who consider themselves black. And to me they are entitled to feel tat way since that's how society sees them most of the time. My only problem is hollywood casting biracial actors in black roles becuase biracial people are considered "more appealing" to audiences. And it's something that happens mostly with women. But anyway this doesn't apply to the role anyway. since i think the real Mildred loving had native american ancestry as well and was more light skinned

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Biracials stay stealing parts meant for black women so yes, it's fair.

You are right, there are a lot of biracials who consider themselves black. That's how society treats most of them, but despite this, it's not true. They are also the other part to them. Why is okay for a biracial to call herself black, but not white?

My only problem is hollywood casting biracial actors in black roles becuase biracial people are considered "more appealing" to audiences. And it's something that happens mostly with women.


Mine too. Hollywood only considers biracials (mainly women) as black, so they don't have to use real black women, while simultaneously "pleasing" the black audience.

Look at all the recent "black" castings in the media. Zendaya in Spider-Man, Tessa Thompson in Thor, Alexandra Shipp in X-Men, etc.

As a biracial, you can audition for roles for black women and biracial black women. Actual black women don't have that luxury usually unless they are light-skinned. It's a little selfish to me because these same biracial women go on about being proud biracials when they want to be seen as "exotic" and then suddenly become black when it's time to get roles.

They only parts they can't get are ones where the writers or directors specifically put "DARK SKINNED BLACK FEMALE" in the script character description and that's rare because Hollywood sees biracial blacks as black anyway. No need to go any darker than that.

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Most biracials cant' call themselves white. Society , especially American society will never views them as white lol. Sure some call themselves mixed but most biracials I know do identify more with being black.

I do agree with everything else you said though.

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So.... because they can't be classified as white, they should be classified as black??? They are neither.

How about what they are? Biracial.

Biracial people can refer to themselves as whatever, but that won't change the fact that their mother or father is white/Asian/whatever.

Glad we can agree on some things.


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Look I don't know if your white or black to be honest. I do agree that hollywood likes to only cast biracial actresses as black which is problematic but I'm not faulting the actresses themselves. Roles for actual biracial actresses are probably very few.

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You both (in the conversation) need to read this article, regarding the various levels and definitions of "blackness" in countries such as Brazil vs the United States :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/12/26/people-of-color-who-never-felt-they-were-black/071e165f-48b7-4aaa-9d86-23e907cfbc7f/

I copy/paste the introduction :

At her small apartment near the National Cathedral in Northwest Washington, Maria Martins quietly watched as an African American friend studied a picture of her mother. "Oh," the friend said, surprise in her voice. "Your mother is white."

She turned to Martins. "But you are black."

That came as news to Martins, a Brazilian who, for 30 years before immigrating to the United States, looked in the mirror and saw a morena -- a woman with caramel-colored skin that is nearly equated with whiteness in Brazil and some other Latin American countries. "I didn't realize I was black until I came here," she said.

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yep, it is more about identity than the actual color of the skin.

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@starryeyedgirl


Oh for God's sake. Who died and gave you the power to decide who's black enough and who isn't? Yeah, we know how Hollywood tends not to cast darker-skinned women, that's old news. I could be wrong, but this is an indie film, I believe. And if you're biracial and look more black than anything else, you're seen as black, period. The interesting thing is, if you go to Ruth Negga's board, there's an interview on there in which she stated that at times it has been hard for her to get cast in good roles, even though she's though she's a light-skinned black woman---because she's black,obviously. Even when she got cast in PREACHER, there were racists whining and howling that she shouldn't have been cast in THAT role because she wasn't a white blond chick (like the character was in the comic books.) Tired of this subject coming up EVERY time a film with a main role for a black woman is cast. It's exhausting as heck, to tell you the truth. And,yeah, if you've seen the real Mildred Loving, she was light-skinned. Geesh---I wish people would actually do some research before spouting off about any movies or TV shows.

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Oh for God's sake. Who died and gave you the power to decide who's black enough and who isn't?


I'm not deciding, it's my opinion, but DNA decides that. So try again. White women can't biologically give birth to black children and white men can't procreate with a black woman and have a black child. Having a black parent doesn't erase a whole other race.

I could be wrong, but this is an indie film, I believe. And if you're biracial and look more black than anything else, you're seen as black, period.


What does it being an indie have to do with anything? I am not discussing this film.

If biracials are seen as the same as black, why are more biracial women being cast over black women? Why can casting directors tell the difference?

The interesting thing is, if you go to Ruth Negga's board, there's an interview on there in which she stated that at times it has been hard for her to get cast in good roles, even though she's though she's a light-skinned black woman---because she's black,obviously.


And?? It's even worse for real black women, some of who happen to be dark skin. Also because she calls herself a light-skinned black woman, that makes her one? Her mother is white, therefore she's mixed. Genetics say so.

Anyone with obvious African ancestry can have that issue with roles. White is always preferred. It's just clear lighter skinned biracial women have an easier time.


Even when she got cast in PREACHER, there were racists whining and howling that she shouldn't have been cast in THAT role because she wasn't a white blond chick (like the character was in the comic books.) Tired of this subject coming up EVERY time a film with a main role for a black woman is cast. It's exhausting as heck, to tell you the truth.


Soo? Racists will be racists. They will always complain about a non-white person taking a role originally a white person. I ignore it.

So you're tired of this subject coming up EVERY time a film with a main role for a black woman is cast? When exactly was a black women cast though? Ruth isn't black. She has black ancestry, but she is not black.

And,yeah, if you've seen the real Mildred Loving, she was light-skinned. Geesh---I wish people would actually do some research before spouting off about any movies or TV shows.


Did I say she wasn't? Tell me where the hell you see that? I wish you would learn to read and comprehend and stop spewing nonsense. READ first. My first post disagreed with the poster as they were both of similar tone.

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Sorry, but no. Race is a not a biological fact. Someone who has a black parent and white parent is not in fact mixed or biracial because race is a SOCIAL construct. The rules of what constitutes membership in a race is not set by anything but social relations. If those social relations deems a person who has a black parent and white parent to be black than that person is black. If that person considers themselves to be black and other people who consider themselves to be black accept the former as black than they are black.
Barack Obama's mother was American and his father Kenyan. Does that only make him half-American?

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Sorry, but no. Race is a not a biological fact. Someone who has a black parent and white parent is not in fact mixed or biracial because race is a SOCIAL construct. The rules of what constitutes membership in a race is not set by anything but social relations. If those social relations deems a person who has a black parent and white parent to be black than that person is black. If that person considers themselves to be black and other people who consider themselves to be black accept the former as black than they are black.
Barack Obama's mother was American and his father Kenyan. Does that only make him half-American?


I think people have a hard time knowing the difference between race and ethnicity. Race like you said is social construct used for convenience rather being based on biology. Humans are at best of different ethnicities rather than different "races".

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I do agree that hollywood's obsession with biracial or light skinned actresses playing black roles is ridiculous. (especially because when it comes to black men they don't do this so it's obvious sexism and mysoginoir) However Ruth does resemble Mildred Loving. Sure her skin is a bit lighter but nothing to complain over. I've loved ruth in other roles.

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Mrs Loving was a lightskinned black woman.

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As a black woman myself, I understand what you mean about Hollywood white washing, but I got to disagree with you on this one. Mildred Loving was black and Native American. She was pretty light skinned.

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This is the real Mildred Loving, still think Ruth Nega is too light?

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/farewell/farewell_loving.jpg

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/richmond.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/50/05059634-fa4f-11e4-8bb9-b75241f2d4ea/5554c10a28548.image.jpg?resize=752%2C760

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There are soo many pictures of Mrs Loving. Why post a black and white photo of Mrs. Loving and not one of het in color to prove a point is deceptive and misleading. Even if this is a silly statement, why not show photos that actually represented how Mrs. Loving's skin tone and how she looked at during the lawsuit. Itvwill at least shlw accuracy. Those color photos are far more relevant than an elderly Mrs. Lovings holding a black and white picture of her younger self. That was also an unflattering picture of her too.

www.google.com/search?q=the+lovings&client=ms-android-att-us&hl=en-US&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMroewtOXMAhVi7oMKHUF0DYsQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=574#imgdii=8BqUrcyvgz4qJM%3A%3BSOeVj3nUQbPkDM%3A%3BSOeVj3nUQbPkDM%3A&imgrc=SOeVj3nUQbPkDM

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This isn't like the movie Nina, that was an issue. Having a mixed race actress play a mixed race person, however, is not a big deal especially when there is some semblance of a similar look. I just find it hilarious that people are outraged without knowing how she actually looked. Besides where do you suppose we find a large collection of color photos from the 60s? Mildred was not dark, at all, so I don't really see what your grouse is.

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She was black and native american though not black and white. But I agree that Negga is fine for the role. She was lightskinned.

Hiring biracial women for darker skin roles is a problem in hollywood. Like in X-men Storm is supposed to be African but both actresses they have cast her for are biracial.

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Oh, wow. Based on these photos, there are plenty of other black actresses that could have portrayed Mildred. I know of at least five that I've seen in movies (though maybe not a major part).

This topic sort of reminds of the outrage that occurred when one of the Hunger Games movies came out. There was a young black actress portraying a character that was white (according to the book). There was a lot of hate towards her and the movie. Many people felt the character should have been white!! To many, they believe the story should be told as the book.

What do you all think? I'm not being sarcastic, I'mopening the door for respectful dialogue....

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your comment makes you sound like one of those comic book fanboys that get butthurt the actor portraying a character does not look exactly like the comic! I'm pretty sure they cast the parts based on acting ability! Obviously Ruth Negga was better the best actress for the part first and foremost... That's kind of how movie casting works!

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This topic sort of reminds of the outrage that occurred when one of the Hunger Games movies came out. There was a young black actress portraying a character that was white (according to the book). There was a lot of hate towards her and the movie. Many people felt the character should have been white!! To many, they believe the story should be told as the book.
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Rue wasn't white in the books, the first book described her a having dark skin, I pictured her as being darker than Amandla Stenberg when I read the book.

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Maybe because the real Mildred was half black and half Native American and was a light skinned woman? Get over it.

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Sorry but the real Mildred was quite a fair-black woman herself

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Mildred may have been light skinned, but she was not ethnically ambiguous like Ruth. I've noticed people try to equate the two but it's not at all the same.

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yeah actually I changed my mind I agree with you. I'v been watching interviews with Ruth Negga for Peacher and she doesn't even look black in a lot of the interviews I've seen of her. She's very ambiguous looking and very light skinned and could pass for hispanic or arab.

Mildred definitely looked black despite being light skinned. But Hollywood loves the ethnically ambiguous light skinned actresses to make their quota for black. It's not a huge deal to me but it's a fair point.

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