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Did the brothers get set up?


I have been doing a lot of reading on the Boston Marathon Bombing including a letter written by Tamerlan and Dzhokhar's Aunt who is an attorney (her letter was on change.org) and I wonder if the brothers may have been set up.

1) There was a live announcement and tweet that there was going to be a drill at the Marathon right before the bombing. The blueprint of the drill included backpacks with pressure cookers on the ground.

2) It was reported that Tamerlan was an undercover agent working for the government.

3) There were other men walking around the marathon carrying large black packs and dressed in the same colored shirt and pants as Tamerlan. The emblem on their backpacks matched the emblem on one of the exploded bags.

4. The younger brother's finger prints were not found on any of the bombs or bomb materials and there was no trace of bomb making materials found in his dorm or in Tamerlan's house. This came out during his trial. It also came out during his trial that they didn't know who built the bombs and that the firecrackers they found in his dorm would not have had enough powder to make the bombs.

5. Dzhokhar's backpack was white and Tamerlan's was gray. The exploded backpacks were dark black.

6. A live video of Tamerlan's arrest which is on youtube, has Tamerlan himself saying Podstava as the cops arrest him, which means set up in Russian. There is another video where the cops are shooting at them and the brothers keep shouting that they didn't do it. This part might mean nothing since I am sure a lot of criminals say they didn't do it but I still wanted to include it,

7. According their aunt, Dzhokhar's lawyers visited his parents and told them that they knew that Dzokhar was innocent and that the appeals was how they were going to free him.

8. Their friend was killed in Florida during an interview at his home with police. One of the bullets struck him on the top of his head. He had just had knee surgery so he would not have been able fight with anyone.

I wonder if the brothers thought they were just going to be part of a drill, set down backpacks they were given thinking they were fake bombs, and then got set up for the bombing. That would explain also why they just went back to their normal lives and didn't try to flee or escape until they saw their faces on the news. Then they freaked out and went on the run.

The video they showed during Dzokhar's trial was so blurry and from a distance so you couldn't really tell who shot the cop.

I could be wrong about this, I'm just going by what I have read, and my feelings based on that information. I feel terrible for those who lost their lives and were injured that day. No one deserved to be so horribly injured, killed, or forever scarred emotionally. I truly hope that I am wrong about my theory because I would not want an innocent man being driven insane in super max and eventually put to death.

Again, I could easily be wrong, but there are just things that don't make sense about that day. I mean no disrespect to those who were injured, died, lost someone, or those who fought to save all those lives that day.

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You're very easily wrong

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How is he so wrong? Explain how a guy can have both legs blown off and not bleed out AND recover in time to attend a Bruins game two weeks later?? Are you friggin kidding me? You actually believe that narrative?

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People have died. One i actually know. *beep* anyone who thinks this was a false flag or a drill. It disgusts me Americans would think this way about their own fellow Americans.

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The Flag is false in a false flag. Not the attack itself. That can be real. Again its the flag that is false, not the attack.


Example, Group of Israeli Mossad agents are dressed as Muslims and attack say a Christian church. Everyone believes the attack was done by Muslims. Its that simple, stop getting angry.

In this case the two Chechen brothers are the false flag, the real flag would be Feds. Either setting up, coercing, or otherwise using the brothers as patsies.

Simple concept, grasp it.

Another example is Cia agents in the Iraq war. Dressing as either Sunni and attacking Shia, or dressing as Shia and attacking Sunnis. This incites violence between the two groups and in this case started a civil war in Iraq.

Dont close your mind.

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Either way you're an accomplice to treason and war crimes.

There WAS NO false flag, dumbass!

In this case the two Chechen brothers are the false flag, the real flag would be Feds.

Because nobody can ever decide to be an Islamo-fascist and wage holy war by themselves, right? Damn, you twoofers are idiots!


Another example is Cia agents in the Iraq war. Dressing as either Sunni and attacking Shia, or dressing as Shia and attacking Sunnis.

More like dressing that way to infiltrate Sunni terrorist groups in Iraq, and doing the same to Shia terrorists. And those groups were attacking each other (and the troops) all by themselves.





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Name calling. A clear sign of subterfuge. How about debating like an adult.

And yeah Chechens are known to be huge Islamists. Right?? So many stories of Islamic terror groups training and coming from Chechnya right??

There have been at least 17 foiled terror plots in which federal agents aided and gave support to the terrorists, only to bust them.

Stop name calling, getting angry for no reason, and think critically.

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And yeah Chechens are known to be huge Islamists. Right??

The Chechen Revolution was infiltrated by Al-Qaida as far back as the late-1990's. They bragged about their involvement in one of their old websites. It's a shame because they should've remained a genuine war of national liberation.

There have been at least 17 foiled terror plots in which federal agents aided and gave support to the terrorists, only to bust them.

And you think that's a bad thing?

Stop name calling, getting angry for no reason, and think critically.

I already think critically. Otherwise, I'd fall for the crap you spew.

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I could go on and on with point like how I'm sure there were tons of people with back packs and baseball hats at the marathon but these were the only guys ON CAMERA in those hats dropping their backpacks in the spots where the bombs went off. But I won't. I will simply say that if they were set up, the defense in court probably shouldn't have been "My brother made me do it."

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You ask allot of good questions. I remember the pictures of craft and thinking what???

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An innocent person wouldn't run and get into a standoff with the police... Ok maybe run bc you're scared and think you can get away... But to go from completely innocent to having the capacity to possibly kill cops.. Yea no. Also this would completely negate the asain dudes story when he got car jacked (wtf is up with the gas station surveillance then)

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@jaylee-03031: do you have links for any of your claims?

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It's simple. The police wouldn't have taken the younger brother alive if it was a set up.

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Set up as in " Government Plot??" Knowing how Obama has used terror attacks for his Anti Gun agenda, or 9/11, anything's possible. Everyone check out all the youtube Sandy Hook Hoax videos. Most of those interviewed were IMDB actors " CRISIS ACTORS". The American Slueths are getting better as researchers, I think there's more to this terrorist act then we know.

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Everyone check out all the youtube Sandy Hook Hoax videos. Most of those interviewed were IMDB actors " CRISIS ACTORS".

No, moron! The SO-CALLED "crisis actors" were just people who happened to have the same names as people on IMDb. And one of the SO-CALLED "crisis actors" you people think played a 7 year old girl was actually 21 years old... and a BOY!

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Name calling again. All you do is attack others who question mainstream lies. Its obvious you are on the side of the corrupt state. Stop acting like you're not.

Endless comments of you regurgitating official state sponsored propaganda. You know propaganda is legal in the US??

Then you would know the government engages in propaganda as well.

Go ahead prove it false.

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Name calling again. All you do is attack others who question mainstream lies.

There are no "mainstream lies." The lies are all from YOU!

Its obvious you are on the side of the corrupt state. Stop acting like you're not.

No, because unlike you, I'm not on the side of America's enemies!

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You can’t prove (test) a negative: one of the fallacies of debate.

But you didn’t know that. Now you do.

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I get what you are saying with the question you have. You are trying to make sense of it and have no malice intentions (unlike some people). The way I look at conspiracy theories is to look at the specific questions and see if there isn't some rational explanation for it. After all, innocent until proven guilty - the stories we were given are the innocent party, until someone can provide total proof they are in fact false. That's how I look at it anyway.

There was a live announcement and tweet that there was going to be a drill at the Marathon right before the bombing. The blueprint of the drill included backpacks with pressure cookers on the ground.


They had already completed some kind of drill before the bombing. This was recorded by the police as part of their process. The drill was not nearly as intense as the real thing, as was only intended to reflect a minor mishap.

It was reported that Tamerlan was an undercover agent working for the government


Many things are reported, about many things, all over the world. A large portion of the population believe in unicorns. Whilst I have no evidence either way, neither do you or anyone else who claims that. The government will never tell us. So again, innocent until proven guilty - it hasn't changed my mind. Everytime I hear 'the government says', I tune out. The government don't go around stopping people in the stree providing them with confidential information like this. Even if it were true, whoever told you that didn't hear it from the government.

There were other men walking around the marathon carrying large black packs and dressed in the same colored shirt and pants as Tamerlan. The emblem on their backpacks matched the emblem on one of the exploded bags.


This is not uncommon for a sporting event. You aren't going to see women dressed in ball gowns are you. Think of the spectator population. Think of how many people would wear shirts and pants, let alone of the same color. And, being a sporting event where families brought their children, I would expect many to have backpacks (with snacks and water and so on). With the culture of Boston, is it hard to believe they all have a similar design? If someone special has that design, average joes are going to buy that design too. I would be more surprised if it was the specific brand. But, how many brands out there make similar design. Again, because people buy them. And, people buy them because other people are buying them....the cycle of consumer behavior.

The younger brother's finger prints were not found on any of the bombs or bomb materials and there was no trace of bomb making materials found in his dorm or in Tamerlan's house. This came out during his trial. It also came out during his trial that they didn't know who built the bombs and that the firecrackers they found in his dorm would not have had enough powder to make the bombs


What is said in a trial by the defense doesn't sway me, particularly with something so obvious. Maybe he used gloves? It is quite a simple thought that does not beat the overwhelming evidence against them. If they are smart enough to make a bomb as part of a plan, they are smart enough not to trace it to them. Especially with these guys, who did not appear to want to be caught. This is different to suicide bombers who will openly admit to if, if they do not die in the process - they don't care to hide it.

I would expect nothing less than for the defense to provide as much evidence as they can.

Those firecrackers may not have been intended to use with those bombs. They could have been used with different bombs. Or, used as firecrackers. Think about it this way. The firecrackers were found in a completely different bag. Doesn't this suggest that the younger brother had no intention to use them with the bombs he used? I have matches at home. I use some for birthday cakes, to light my fireplace and so on. On any given day someone can find me using the matches to light different things.

5. Dzhokhar's backpack was white and Tamerlan's was gray. The exploded backpacks were dark black.


This is not actually the case. D's backpack had white on it. But, also had a lot of gray/black. It would be reasonable for a police officer or the FBI who checked the footage to call it either color. T's backpack was dark black. In some footage, it appears gray. But, I put this down to the lighting of the picture and so on.

6. A live video of Tamerlan's arrest which is on youtube, has Tamerlan himself saying Podstava as the cops arrest him, which means set up in Russian. There is another video where the cops are shooting at them and the brothers keep shouting that they didn't do it. This part might mean nothing since I am sure a lot of criminals say they didn't do it but I still wanted to include it,


The police have openly admitted, time and time again, that they arrested someone who was a mistaken identity. The footage of them leading someone to the car is this man. So, as far as someone saying something in Russian, I cannot comment. Either way, it is not T.


7. According their aunt, Dzhokhar's lawyers visited his parents and told them that they knew that Dzokhar was innocent and that the appeals was how they were going to free him.


Irrelevant. I wouldn't trust the aunt, if she is the lawyer, as she will say anything to get him off the hook. If she is telling the truth, I wouldn't necessarily believe the defense lawyers believed either. They are allowed to say what they want to play the game.

8. Their friend was killed in Florida during an interview at his home with police. One of the bullets struck him on the top of his head. He had just had knee surgery so he would not have been able fight with anyone.


No. It was actually T's friend. It was not one of the 3 men we see in the movie. There is no evidence to suggest that the deceased friend is in anyway involved too. There is no evidence that he is part of the so-called conspiracy of T being there at that time. There is no evidence of that.

If they knew who he was, I would suggest that he was on some watch list too. But, that doesn't mean any direct link to the bombing.

I wonder if the brothers thought they were just going to be part of a drill, set down backpacks they were given thinking they were fake bombs, and then got set up for the bombing. That would explain also why they just went back to their normal lives and didn't try to flee or escape until they saw their faces on the news. Then they freaked out and went on the run.


Possible. But, again, to me, there is no evidence of this. It is equally as plausible that they dropped the bags and left. Remember, we have seen a lot of suicide bombers in recent years. So, we are starting to become desensitized to it. That doesn't mean anything, though. These guys could have just wanted to try and get away with it. The same way, not all suicides are murder-suicides. Or not all murders also end up with the culprit committing suicide. For example, Columbine massacre saw a murder-suicide, but the aurora shooting did not. So, not all bombings are suicide bombings.



Actually, I just re read a few articles, and there is more to your story of the defense. They stated that D definitely did it (they were trying to prove mitigation, not innocence). They stated that T made the bomb, thus making D less culpable because he could not prove he knew the bomb would work. So, ignore everything I said about that - the defense team admitted fault.

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