better than the first??
would you say that this movie is overall better or worse than the first
the raiting on IMDB suggest better, but what is your view
Better.
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Better, simply because they took the mythos they built with the first one, fleshed it out more, upped the ante waaaayyyyy higher and made a incredible sequel.
If you want a reasonably intelligent balls-to-the-wall shoot 'em up actioner, you can't do better than this.
I felt his fighting skills were a bit too weird at times. I know Reeves commitment to training for the scenes, but I guess I shouldn't have seen the behind-the-scene footage. I could just see some of the other actors killing time and pretending to be hurt, while Keanu was taking his time to, what at times looked like struggling to, help his victims "take their coats off".
(Edit: A funny thing: after watching it in the afternoon, The Transporter 3 was on tv that night which had the usual fighting scenes in it and I couldn't figure out which one I preferred more. John Wick's more, and at times too, realistic approach, or Jason Statham's obvious choreographed fighting scenes.)
The fight scene with Common was genius and their sneaky gun-fight in the metro station was wicked too! I've seen something similar before and I don't know where....
I was expecting way too much from Ruby Rose and maybe therefore it worked out finel for me. Because I was not expecting the obvious; which was that she was some kind of super-Russian MMA fighter like in Fast 6 & Furious 7 (which worked well for me too, btw).
All in all, I left the cinema more satisfied that I did after seeing John Wick 1.
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Both movies have highly enjoyable fightscenes. Where Equilibrium gave us a stupid dance, John Wick actually makes the notion of Gun-Kata believable.
I do think the focus of 1 was better, even in the fightscenes. In 2, there were some moments where John clearly had the time for a headshot, but opts for a legshot and then wrestles the baddy on the floor. To me this suggested that the makers wanted more flair in the scenes.
But where the first one is leagues ahead of the sequal is the world building. The first movie never explained all that much, but everything became clear after a while. It felt like an existing world where the characters where familiar.
The second installment has a number of exhibition scenes (most jarringly the explenation of the marker. Its a BLOOD oath, with your BLOOD and some more BLOOD and now you are sworn to me by BLOOD). Plus a number of out of character decisions (why didn't Winston have John eliminated, like Padilecki in the first movie?).
I walked out of the theatre satisfied, but the first movie is so much better.
The first one is leaps and bounds better.
shareThe first one is leaps and bounds better.
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The first one is leaps and bounds better.
You're in the minority.
Who cares? I'm fine with that. It's my opinion. share
No doubt. I am truly shocked that the second is getting better reviews. I felt like I was watching Smoking Aces 2 (which I liked, btw) or something rather than John Wick 2. The whole calling in contracts to the call center made it look like there was enough assassins to populate an entire city which was just stupid. And they used old outdated technology.. why exactly? Oh, we're putting out a contract, let's just text each of the seemingly thousands of assassins we have on file one by one on a computer from 1983 instead of just all at once. LOL! There was an element of realism in the first one that was completely lost in the second. Hey John, I realize that it's your thing to double tap fools but when you are using a huge ass shotgun and have to load each shell by hand, blasting a giant hole in someone chest from four feet away is quite sufficient!
shareI liked the first one a lot better. The first one seemed more raw and the action tighter. There was more action in the second one but it did not seem as tense as the first. The scene in John's house and in the club were very tense affairs while the scenes like in the mirror house seemed just seemed to stylized. They decided to do another club shootout in Chapter 2 and it paled in comparison to Chapter one. Overall Chapter 2 was very enjoyable but not better than Chapter One for me.
I also liked the characters more in the first one.
Cry Havoc and Let Loose The Stalking of Trolls.
Both solid films but I enjoyed the first a tad more. The first one is faster paced with better action scenes.
John Wick 8.5/10
John Wick Chapter 2 8/10
I think the first one edges it out a little, maybe, killing all those people other a puppy is perfectly reasonable after all. The second one is more enjoyable, perhaps. I don't know, I need to see JW2 again.
Loved the scene where he only has one gun and seven bullets, so he just takes the gun from each person he kills. That was cool and funny.
F **K no! This movie was a complete piece of IQ lowering garbage, a vomit fest of stupidity and idiocy!
The first movie is a masterpiece of action...this is like the "Taken" sequels unnecessary and unwanted...
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