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Annoyed by her parenting.


Anybody else annoyed that she lets her kids walk all over her? There's a difference between loving your kids and being a punching bag.

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I just knew there would be a post here bitching about her parenting. Sorry but that's life. And it's a *beep* comedy don't get so uppity. This is pretty true to life I have known many single mom's with multiple kids that can relate to some if not all aspects of her life.

But you just go right ahead and be a judgy ass.

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I'm a single dad, and I'm abhored by the fact she lets her kids dictate the rules of the house.

Don't hate on contrarians

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It is a show but sadly this is becoming the norm, single mothers who have children from different fathers. We can get birth control for free in this country.
I've watched both shows and it says nothing about her being divorced, unless I missed something.
One of the daughters asked about "her" dad so I take it at least one of her kids has a different dad.
I only have one grown daughter and I'm married to her father. I really can't imagine what it would be like to have 3 kids with no help from the dads.That's no excuse for her to let her kids do what ever they want.
Her parenting bothers me to so I may stop watching this show. There are no morals and values being taught to her daughters. I'm sure there are a lot of teens out there that are watching this show and thinking this is the way life should be. No way would I have let my teen daughter watch a show like this.

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Why would you need your own "morals and values" reflected back at you in your entertainment? Aren't your "beleifs" rock solid, or are they easily swayed? If entertainment was there just to reinforce the way "we" think life should be lived, it wouldn't be entertainment (art), it would be dogma or propaganda.

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In real life, she was married to one man for 14 years, had all three daughters with him, and she now has custody of the girls. I'm guessing this series is based on her own life.

I have no idea why its a "sad norm" that people have children with multiple partners anymore than the sad norm of choosing to have any children at all. Nobody's life experience is all positive and perfect, and all morality is shakey when people have a tendency to judge it with an "I'm doing it right, look how awful they are doing it" unsympathetic mentality. I'm sure even you come across this from other parents, and it doesn't benefit anyone, because there is no perfect parent nor a proper way to raise children.

Also, a teenager would probably eat this material for lunch. Many have 24 hour access to the entire world on their phone before they even reach their teenage years, and are much more jaded than their parents are willing to believe.

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there is no perfect parent, but there are good parents and bad parents, and Sam is a bad parent.

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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Based on what?

She has 3 children who are healthy and, at least in this series, appear not to be neglected. All three of the children are annoying as hell, but still seem to have their needs met. Even if the parenting is atypical of the dying white middle class two parent model.

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yes, the kids are fed and have a roof over their head, but that's not all parenting is about. It's also about setting boundaries and rules.

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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Again, based on what? How your family do it?

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my parents were strict. We couldn't watch R rated movies until we were 17 for example. We were not punished often as just the fact we disappointed our parents, especially our mom, when we disobeyed was often punishment enough.
However, the older we got, the more freedoms we got. In high school on weekends, we could stay out late and weren't grilled about where we were or what we did. We had to have permission to have friends over.
We had chores: mowing the lawn, raking leaves, doing dishes, washing cars, etc.

In Better things, what chores do the girls have? What consequences are there for trashing the house while mom is way, for example? What's the curfew? Who can come over and when?

Children need to know there are rules and boundaries, and that they are not in charge of a household. They need to be taught respect for their parents and others and given responsibilities so they become responsible adults.

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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Yes, I get it, you are proud of your family, and judge others based on that.

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I know several teachers. They tell me you can tell whose parents set boundaries and give responsibilities and whose don't just by how the child behaves and tries in school.
Bad parenting just doesn't effect a family; it effects society.

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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Not necessarily true. Our mom divorced our dad when we were kids and she was pretty lenient, hence my parenting was similar. Wasn't strict. We were well-behaved, polite well spoken kids who didn't do drugs or give her a bit of grief. I got nothing my compliments on my son's behavior. We are all productive adults.

I never, ever went through any teenage angst or talked back or hated or was embarrassed by my mom. I loved her and liked be around her. I don't particularly understand or like teenage girls. Teenage boys are a-ok with me. I dislike teen girls even more when they are around their mothers. As a matter of fact most kids are awful when their parents are around and are totally different people when they aren't. Give me a kid alone and I'm fine. Bring in the parents and I can't stand that whiny manipulating brat. LOL most of us never see that perfect kid that others compliment us on.

Every household is different and there is no way to predict with surety. Of course, I'm not advocating either lenient parenting nor a free for all. I watch a lot of crime shows and invariable the serial killer sociopath came from a strict devout Christian household or a dysfunctional one where no amount of parenting was going on.

With us and my extended family of cousins, the correct behavior and what was expected was simply modeled. We behaved the way the adults around us behaved and expected us to.

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You just described my life growing up. Except I was grounded all the time for things like swearing or calling one of my siblings a "dummy" or something like that.

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Divorced single Mom of 3 kids here. The show is very relatable. As others have stated, no paren is perfect, but when you have worked a full day and then come home to your kids and pets, all of whom need dinner, help with this or that, medications, etc....it can be exhausting. You do learn to pick your battles. Trust me, I love my children more than life itself, and don't intend to raise entitled brats. But sometimes, you just don't have the energy to force the issue of them doing their chores, etc.

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but does that excuse checking out completely, not setting any rules or boundaries, and not picking any battles?
"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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Of course not, but that doesn't appear to me to be what Sam is doing, particularly not in the pilot episode.

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other than the very first scene in the pilot, Sam totally caves in to her daughters. and in the second episode, it gets worse when they trash the house, and there are no consequences.

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." J.J. Rousseau

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I got stuck on that same scene in the second episode. The kids throw a party and trash the house, and they don't get in trouble. In fact, the mom is cleaning up after them.

Just hard to relate I guess. Oh well.

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She isn't exactly "checked out" and I feel the last few episodes would be better for those that disliked the parenting of the first few. There were some good moments from Sam in that regard (I especially liked a certain scene from Ep 8).

Though that being said it probably still wouldn't be good enough for those who hated the character as a parent, I don't think you can argue it hasn't gotten better in that regard.

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It's tough to watch because my mom would have knocked my *beep* into next week if I ever spoke to her the way Max speaks to Sam, but not having kids myself I figure this is the way modern, upper class, white people parent their kids. (A lot of kids in movies and TV shows act this way and the parents refuse to slap them.) It was tough to make it through the first couple of episodes where they gave Max so much screen time, but by the third episode, they explored more of Sam's life and it got really good.

ETA: Just want to add, after reading other people's comments, my beef is not a moral one. I'm not turned off by Sam's parenting because I only want to see good parenting or something. I just find Max's shrill voice difficult to take and my instinct is to slap her into shutting the hell up. (This is why I don't have kids.)

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