Although the show isn't that bad, it left me with lots of questions and I wish they put a little more effort into the details. For instance, quite a few of the chaps had long hair, at least for the era. The explosives guy practically looked like he stepped straight out of 1960s London.
I was also wondering why and how they would contact Canada with their suitcase radio. As far as I know those radios had a reach of about 500 miles, not 5000. And Canada was part of the British Empire at the time, so I assumed they would/should just contact Special Force Headquarters in London.
And maybe I misunderstood, but really? After they were involved in a top secret raid all the way in occupied Europe these 4 agents get picked up, flown back all the way to Canada (would have taken days, there is a war going on after all) and still wearing the same clothes are debriefed? That is a bit odd. Most of these groups would stay as long as they could and IF they were called back, they would go to England, not half across the world.
The whole story would have been made a lot more believable if they had not insisted on making part of the story take place in Canada. Why not just pick a special Canadian branch of SOE situated in England?
History like this is important enough to take serious and put some effort into getting even the details right. If you spot mistakes, especially ones that could easily have been avoiding, it is just a sign of somebody not doing their job properly.
Besides that the story was a bit over the top but not too bad and I think it is entertaining and may teach kids a few things about the war. I'll give it another go but am not too impressed by the first episode so far.
Complaining about mistakes is almost as bad as complaining about complaining about mistakes.
I had a similar reaction as you: overall I thought it was pretty darned good, but the authenticity issues really got in the way of it being great. I can just about buy, for the sake of dramatic licence, the idea that a military base in Canada is able to receive and transmit signals from operatives using a portable briefcase radio in the field in France. But that the team flew back to Canada after their mission? Nope, no way.
It is a shame, little things like that sort of diminish a lot of good hard work done by everyone involved. I know the people were trained in Canada and that they had super radios there that could safely stay in touch with the UK, but I also know that many agents in Europe had lots of issues with their suitcase radios even reaching London.
They should have just let the communication AND debriefing scenes take place in the UK.
I agree that there are issues with the commute, but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for a while because I think the strong points are very strong. I'll hang around to see what happens.
I think they may be playing fast and loose with the ideas of synesthetes and savants. Those concepts are often misused and abused, so it's par for the course.
Like many series, the first episode packs in a lot in an perilous attempt to hook and retain an audience, but endangers the structure and ongoing narrative. Hopefully things will smooth out.
It's actually quite "credible", since this series is based on a factual events, and yes, communicating to and through Canada wasn't just possible, it was crucial for the war effort.
This series appears to be based on the true story of Camp X, which was a North American radio and espionage center during WW2.
Allies communicated through Camp X using shortwave radio and Canada was actually deeply involved in front line and espionage of the war YEARS before we were. Shortwave radios can and do reach across hemispheres, even around the earth's curvature.
And no, Canada wasn't part of Britain at the time, they broke off nearly 100 years prior LOL. You have to be making an unfunny joke or you're the worst history student ever.
Your complaints about wrong details are actually what's wrong. Learn some history before you go off making backwards criticism.
No need to be rude just because you disagree. Try and remain civilised.
This series appears to be based on the true story of Camp X, which was a North American radio and espionage center during WW2. Allies communicated through Camp X using shortwave radio and Canada was actually deeply involved in front line and espionage of the war YEARS before we were. Shortwave radios can and do reach across hemispheres, even around the earth's curvature.
Yes I know. But did they actually receive and reply directly to broadcasts from occupied France send trough those suitcase transmitters? As we see in this show? I know it was a relay station, that messages were send there, but direct live communication, orders given to Europe on the spot? I understood, I may be wrong, that they received messages from radio stations from all over the world, but I was also just wondering if that was possible trough the suitcase radios and if there was direct communication or if this happened trough a centre in England. Most organisations like these, sometimes even today, generally try and set up stations as close to the action as possible from where the operations are run.
And no, Canada wasn't part of Britain at the time, they broke off nearly 100 years prior LOL. You have to be making an unfunny joke or you're the worst history student ever.
True, but Canada was a member of the common wealth, there still was an Imperial alliance and King George was still the reigning monarch of the Commonwealth and thus the Commander-in-Chief. And the separation between the UK and Canada took quite a while, the Constitution Act didn't happen till 1982. And they still share a head of state, the queen. Not to mention that Camp X was set up and run by the British Security Coordination and many Canadian agents worked under orders of MI9, the British Directorate of Military Intelligence Section 9, a department of the British War Office, and SOE. So although technically independent, Canada was still working very closely with the UK and many Canadian agents and soldiers worked under British command.
Either way it would have made sense if the actual direct action communication or orders during an operation would take place trough a station in the UK, run and managed by the SOE or Canadian Intelligence.
Your complaints about wrong details are actually what's wrong. Learn some history before you go off making backwards criticism.
You totally dumped on a show based on total nonsense.
You claimed the premise was fake and impossible, then suggested the reason was writer and production laziness in not bothering to consider any details. You crapped on numerous innocent professionals, trashing them as incompetent. You merged two countries, defying known history. And you slagged two countries that were probably far more instrumental in stopping Hitler than we were.
You spoke with certainty that the radio range was low and how the Canada location was imaginary and a plot hole. Besides, it's entirely possible the suitcase was relaying through the UK back to Canada anyway.
You're misunderstanding what you googled about British and Canadian history, and neither country has a CIC. Take my word for it: Canada was not Britain in 1941, and shortwave does work across the Atlantic. Camp X was real, not just a convenient filming location.
I haven't even seen it, but based on you trashing the costuming as anachronistic, I'd bet the wardrobe is probably accurate.
Haven't seen this yet, will try to get it on the dish. I can't say if Camp X was a command and control center, but I can say with certainty that it existed - unlike OP throwing shade on the production by saying it was an imaginary plot contrivance and incompetence.
Was it portrayed that Camp X was the war room, or that war room signals were being sent to/from Camp X?
And no, Canada wasn't part of Britain at the time, they broke off nearly 100 years prior LOL. You have to be making an unfunny joke or you're the worst history student ever.
I am old enough to remember Canada's Centennial (1967), and I was taught the same line you were.
It is more complicated than that. Unlike the USA, which had a complete break after a war of independence, Canada's independence has been gradual. I am sure you know this, since the evening news celebrated the fiftieth anniversary just a week or two. Canada only adopted its own flag in 1965. We only wrote our own Constitution in recent decades, the British North America Act of the UK Parliament, was the closest Canada had to a Constitution up until that point. Again, up until recent decades, aboriginal groups lawsuits went all the way to the UK's high courts. The UK's Royal Navy patrolled Canada's coasts and the Great Lakes up until 1910, and Canada original 1910 Navy was very modestly equipped.
Many people would regard a country without its own flag, its own Constitution, its own Navy and its own high court as less than fully independent.
Like I said, if you are a well-educated Canadian, you are probably aware of most everything I wrote, at the back of your mind -- but you had yet to do the math, and figure out that this meant less than full independence.
How independent was Canada from the UK during World War Two? A lot more independent than during WW1, but still with some distance to go.
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And no, Canada wasn't part of Britain at the time, they broke off nearly 100 years prior LOL. You have to be making an unfunny joke or you're the worst history student ever.
that's true, and not true....
because think of this fact....
until 47 all children born in Canada were british citizens......we fought under the british flag.....and there was flap when we got our own flag, that it was a slap in the face to those who fought in both wars, under britaian and their flag...
even today...although I don't like it at all...we went back to using the name, the royal Canadian air force.....why we need royal in front of to this day, I don't like...but, we are still kind of in a lot of ways under britian...even though we are now our own country....
it was really in world war one that we started to go our separate ways...but, still in world war 2.....a lot of the stuff was done under Britain's control..and not ours..
so, even though we weren't part of Britain, we kind of were, then, and still are..
as long as we have the queen as our head of state, and we still use terms like the royal Canadian legion, and all that.....we still are very much part of britian...and always will be...
as will Australia, and new Zealand, and all other commonwealth countries...
Although the show isn't that bad, it left me with lots of questions and I wish they put a little more effort into the details. For instance, quite a few of the chaps had long hair, at least for the era. The explosives guy practically looked like he stepped straight out of 1960s London.
I was also wondering why and how they would contact Canada with their suitcase radio. As far as I know those radios had a reach of about 500 miles, not 5000. And Canada was part of the British Empire at the time, so I assumed they would/should just contact Special Force Headquarters in London.
And maybe I misunderstood, but really? After they were involved in a top secret raid all the way in occupied Europe these 4 agents get picked up, flown back all the way to Canada (would have taken days, there is a war going on after all) and still wearing the same clothes are debriefed? That is a bit odd. Most of these groups would stay as long as they could and IF they were called back, they would go to England, not half across the world.
The whole story would have been made a lot more believable if they had not insisted on making part of the story take place in Canada. Why not just pick a special Canadian branch of SOE situated in England?
History like this is important enough to take serious and put some effort into getting even the details right. If you spot mistakes, especially ones that could easily have been avoiding, it is just a sign of somebody not doing their job properly.
Besides that the story was a bit over the top but not too bad and I think it is entertaining and may teach kids a few things about the war. I'll give it another go but am not too impressed by the first episode so far.
Complaining about mistakes is almost as bad as complaining about complaining about mistakes.
Was able to see it online through one of our POP's. It's beautifully shot. It's also very dramatic, although I felt it went to far and became melodramatic.
I also question the inclusion of the now cliche magic savant. Maybe there was such a guy, I couldn't say.
Having to wait for a live response from what was implied to be Canada HQ may also have been dramatic license.
There were some nice performances, but also some hammy ones.
It has the look of a series that will be picked up on PBS or BBC America.
One big mistake I noticed was the commander of Camp X casually mentioning the kind of personnel the Brits had at Bletchley Park. There is no way he would know about Bletchley, much less the kind of personnel they had there. Bletchley was right up there with the Manhattan Project in terms of operational secrecy. It was not common knowledge that some podunk camp commander halfway around the world would know about. If you weren't directly involved with Bletchley, you wouldn't even know it existed.
You're welcome to find any 'mistakes' you wish. The show's not a documentary. No one portrayed actually existed, but are composites of many different people.
The "podunk camp commander" for instance has elements of several historical figures -- a dash of qualities borrowed from many people including William Stephenson, who certainly did have knowledge of intercepts from Bletchley. He read them.
There are plenty of people who want to pick scabs and find fault and there will be ample opportunity for you to do so, since the show isn't made for WWII history PhD's, but for a general audience, many of whom have only a cursory knowledge of what went on at CampX or with spies for the Allies in WWII.
There's a fine gentleman who's written pretty much all the best extant scholarship on Camp X who was at the premiere. He loves the show, and is fine with the liberties taken in pursuit of the better story. We'll stand with him, thanks.
When you see mistakes in a tv show, it is a sign of someone not doing their job properly, nothing more, nothing less. Most people would agree that seeing a digital watch on a Medieval knight would be a terrible shame. But people sometimes disagree on the importance of the mistake just because they don't see it as important while others find such mistakes just as bad as that digital watch. Saying that its just a movie, not a documentary, etc, is fine, however there are still mistakes made and some people find that a shame and worth of discussion. Especially when the subject is so important, I feel people should put as much effort as possible into getting things right. Even more so when some of these mistakes could be so easily avoided. I have no problems with some mistakes, I used to be in the tv/film business and know that sometimes things are just impossible to get right because of budget or time restraints. But I get annoyed when mistakes are made because someone just didn't do their homework, mistakes that easily could have been avoided by just a little bit of extra effort.
Anyway, I had a little chat with Mr Brisson, curator of the Camp X website. With his permission I share his reply;
Many thanks for your email in regards to the series "X Company" - you are absolutely correct in that there is no way that agents would have been communicating with Camp X (Canada) awaiting mission orders. If anything, it would have been with SOE (Special Operations Executive) in the UK. Plus it appears that the man in charge is Canadian ... if anything, any person in charge of a mission would have been British. And the other curious aspect is that at the end of the show, the team is back at Camp X giving the appearance that they'll be leaving from there for the next mission in Europe likely France. Once the agents were in theatre, you would keep in there as there's always high risk in removing them and then sending them back!
It will be interesting to see how the rest of the series unfolds!
One other aspect that did happen was the deployment of agents in the Americas (especially in South America) by British Security Coordination in New York headed by Sir William Stephenson. Jack Bassil was such an agent deployed in Montevideo for one. However as far as I know and have read, Camp X was there principally to give basic clandestine warfare training and to be a relay center for enemy wireless intercept forwarding of traffic to the UK especially German Enigma encrypted messages - that last effort was codenamed HYDRA as you already know.