http://thetalkhouse.com/music/talks/buzz-osborne-the-melvins-talks/
One thing that actually shocked me is how Buzz says the stomach ailment is a fabrication. I don't know why it's so baffling to me but it is.
But Buzz is pretty funny throughout and ends it on a high note.
That's very interesting! I thought that some of these stories, like that one about the retarded girl, sounded like fabricated nonsense and I'm not surprised that they were. It certainly makes you question the stomach problems as well which they basically claimed was like the source of his creativity here. In Soaked in Bleach they also pointed out that his stomach problems were gone long before his time of death since he had found a way to treat it.
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I agree! I really enjoyed (the revelations in) Soaked in Bleach! They were so well-laid-out.
I agree about the "slow" girl story. While it sounded like he was reading from some journal he might have written when he was young, he told it like a story, and it sounded like he planned it to be a story, so I guess that adds up with Buzz's explanation that no way could that have happened in such a small town without him (Buzz) knowing about it. But yes! I actually believe he did have a stomach issue, but even if he did, yes, it was better by then.
How did you like Soaked in Bleach?
Many seem to hate them but I actually really enjoyed both Montage of Heck and Soaked in Bleach, even though they're both flawed in their own ways, and watching them in combination gives an interesting balance. One saying that Kurt was a suicidal junkie always inevitably heading for doom and the other one basically saying that he might have been involved in a case with great incompetence and even a conspiracy. I think a majority of what's said in these documentaries is biased *beep* though but you can still take away interesting things from them. It's for example extremely unlikely that someone shoots up an extreme dose of heroine and then tidies up and blows his head off.
I always knew that Kurt did drugs but I didn't really realize that it was that bad as seen in the private home videos... or that he was suicidal. I think his whole life of drawings, lyrics and his 'funeral party' at MTV Unplugged with the black candles, white lilies, closest friend in the front and a collection of music that had inspired him speaks louder than him saying once that it was a lie and that he was happy a couple months before his dead that they took for evidence in Soaked in Bleach.
I have also always disliked Courtney Love but I didn't realize that she was worse than the wicked witch of the west until watching these two documentaries together. She is lying so much that I have a hard time to believe anything she says at this point.
I was not saying that he never had stomach problems, which he undeniably did, but the question is if those problems got worse and worse or not and was a part of his downfall.
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I really, really don't believe he killed himself. I saw Montage of Heck and loved the artwork, and at first liked hearing his mom, but then I realized how it didn't really jive with reality, and she seemed to be making stuff up. But the rest of it was ridiculous and overdrawn (pun not intended because his drawings were great) and I could not stand the freaking slowed down scenes of him looking down, as if to show he's feeling sad. It's not for me and it feels like propaganda more than anything else.
But I loved, loved, Soaked in Bleach-- they made a very convincing case for at least reopening the case, if not for certain people's involvement in murder. There is no way that was a straight-up suicide. No way.
I just hope it all works out for the best!
I went to Buzz and recommended Bleach, telling it makes CL look even worse. Never mentioned it was a murder doc, I think he's a suicide believer.
shareHe is. As is Alice Wheeler. His friend Carrie Montgomery has stated that Kurt told her about the 'retard' story and about his stomach pains. The fact that Tracy witnessed his pain makes me think he wasn't making it up but maybe exaggerated it as an excuse to take heroin. I also don't believe that his stomach ailment was ever 'cured'. When he talks about finding something that help the pain I believe he is talking about heroin.
shareWhy did they live in a dumpy dirty house? Where was his money then? He played in front of thousands and came home to living in a home much crappier than the 4 star hotels on the road
shareThey lived in a mansion. Before that the lived in a house which ended up like sh** heap because they were both lazy slobs.
shareThats weird. There are tons of interviews where he talks about his stomach problems but I remember him saying they had ended by in utero
shareDigestive problems are invariably connected with depression.
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Dale Crover also spoke about it
https://www.mixcloud.com/JackAntonio/dale-crover-the-melvins-chats-with-jack-antonio-june-82015/
According to Dale even Novaselic told the director that that fat retard girl story was BS but the director insisted on it because it was juicy. Also the story about Kurt wanting to kill himself in because of Courtney was another BS Courtney made up.
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