When she was willing to go in the car with four men she didn't know, that seemed like an incredibly stupid, dispose-an-actress action in a badly written horror movie. It was dramatically convenient, but made her into a moron, and I had no interest in spending any more time watching the film, no matter how good her acting might be.
shareVictoria wasn't an idiot. She's just a young woman who lacked self control (dancing in a club until 4 am when she was supposed to work early in the morning), suffered from the delusion of grandeur (wanting to become a famous concert pianist when she was actually mediocre), and was prone to escaping the reality (running away to Berlin when she failed to become a pianist). So her choice to stick with strangers to commit a bank robbery was her way to do whatever it took to be big. Completely understandable to me.
shareThe facts are there, but this interpretation is oddly skewed.
She didn't lack self-control, she had spent her whole youth exercising self-control for a dream (hers? her parents'?). And all for nought. My impression was that she was - maybe not quite suicidal, but at the end of her rope for sure.
Imagine training for 16 years to be an artist, together with a bunch of other equally talented kids, fighting skill against skill in a dog-eat-dog competition for social toddlers, and then being kicked out of that life together with 90% of them.
She had not wanted to work in a cafe, she had not wanted to live a sleep-work-sleep life. She could not give a flying frig about the cafe, the job was merely mundane survival to her, which was something she just didn't value enough. She never struck me as someone who cared about simply being alive.
Also, she was probably in Berlin because she needed money, and waiting tables in Germany pays better than a similar job in Spain.
She wasn't dreaming to be big, her dreams had died after leaving the Conservatory. Even then, she had probably dreamt to be big because that was the only way to survive as an artist - anyone less than big is doomed, in a universe of fierce competition.
Also, since she had spent her youth dreading her peers and practising a lonely art, she was probably starved of human connection - and also slightly unskilled in forming it.
So she went with those guys for two reasons: her sense of self-preservation was quite low (because she didn't value her life), and she was offered some human connection out of the blue. Remember, she was in a night club at 4 o'clock by herself.
And then, after passively falling down the rabbit hole, at some point we start to see her choosing "fight" in several flight-or-fight scenarios. Of course, now she was fighting for something else. And she proves to be an uncomfortably clear-headed fighter - which must have been something else she had learnt in the oddly savage Conservatory...
I get the piano thing but if three criminals wanting her to drive a stolen van for a "job" where they "must be" four of them and one dude who went to jail for "doing something really bad" don't scream BAD IDEA I don't know what and SHE MET THEM LIKE 45 MINUTES AGO! She's idiotic beyond words and none of the characters we follow are an inch likable which make the movie pretty bad in my opinion but yeah she did a great acting job
shareatari_saturna True, the other thing that most people don't seem to get is research has shown that we all know the difference between wrong and right instinctively.
Exactly the same here LordJiggy..after that sceene I am here writing these and film is going on the screen (which I dont care much anymore)! I think films title should change to 'Stupid Victoria'
sharei'm 45 minutes into the movie and i'm somewhat stuck in my distaste for her naive stupidity. while i recognise that some people are as clueless as victoria, i don't personally know any, so it is hard for me to find what is happening believable.
I think the movie WANTS you to be disturbed by the poor decisions Victoria makes. The movie is called Victoria because it is about her. I agree with one of the earlier posts that the piano playing scene is very telling about her character and motivations. I got the sense that Victoria lived most of her young life under such pressure and so much isolation that she had some kind of nervous breakdown that motivated her to leave her country and everything that was familiar to her and to go to a place where she did not speak the language and apparently did not know anyone. I found it interesting that she was able to find employment at a coffee shop when she cannot communicate in the local language. I would assume then that she is not dealing directly with customers. I think you are meant to spend the whole movie worrying for this girl and about every move she makes, which to most of us looks stupid. I mean the decisions she makes aren't even debatably wise. They are obviously unwise decisions, which tells us that this person has incredibly poor judgment skills. Despite that, we want her to make it out of the mess she has gotten herself into. I haven't quite finished the movie yet, but I'm hoping that she survives her ordeal and learns something from it. If that happens, then I think the movie has made its point.
shareI've met people like her, although it mind not sound logical: they do exist and in nightlife you won't even have to look hard at all to find them, the movie was actually extremely realistic in describing someone like her and let's not forget that alcohol and drugs were involved, that can push people beyond what they would normally never even consider to do. Also she bonded with them and felt connected. She was very lonely and almost certainly was suffering from depression as well.
And yes people can feel connected with other people after 45 minutes, even half an hour. I've had multiple experiences like that.
Good points. I haven't met anyone like her, but I suppose there could be people like her. I like the idea of people feeling connected to someone after such a short period of time. I do think there are those people you meet who you feel connected to right away. But to make such terrible choices in defense of those connections definitely points to some kind of psyche, such as depression or a nervous breakdown. And then adding drugs and alcohol to the mix creates the perfect storm.
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