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Overrated. 8? Really...

posted 9 years ago by chrisg-33
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Pacing was terrible because of the forced gimmick. Like others have said first hour was pointless. Still unbelievable that this chick would spend more than 5 minutes with these loud drunk aholes. There was nothing likable about these guys. They remind me of that one friend you have where you cringe when they decide to get drunk. Seriously what did Victoria see in that Sonne guy? Every sentence he spit out was a lie. Is that really charming? I give it a generous 5. I was highly disappointed in this waste of time. IMDB rating way off on this one.

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[–] dpholden-794-546518 9 years ago

I think she decided to hang out with them, because she was feeling lost and looking for something in life. She had been in Berlin for 3 months, after being told that after 16 years of 7 hours a day playing piano, she wasn't going to make the cut. Now shes stuck in a cafe making 4 euros an hour.

You are given the impression that she has no one in her life she can share her feelings with, she tells us her 'friends' from piano school are more like enemies. We even see a scene at the start, when she is in the club, offering to buy the bartender a drink when she orders her shot, but he refuses. This implies she is 'reaching out'.

Another give away to her state of mind is when she is messing around on the edge of the building, when they're on the roof, talking about jumping.

Also, the guys were not overly sleazy or handsy, and I think she was able to pick up on that.

[–] BillFenner1967 9 years ago

I just watched this film and loved it. But I've gotta agree that her decision to go along with these guys was a bit much. I just didn't buy it. If they'd spent more time showing her as being more reckless or desperate than I wouldn't have had a problem, but when she was driving the car and especially when they were in the parking garage I was expecting her to flip out but she stayed so calm. Anyway, it's a great film.

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[–] tinkaa 9 years ago

Exactly.
And while I can understand that desperate people do desperate things (I did my share of stupidites as a girl, too), she seemed a bit of a psychopath, not just lonely. She isn't stupid, her being calmer than the guys is scary. They are nervous and afraid of the consequences, but she just calmly participates.

On top of it there are just too many factual errors:

The whole robbery made no sense - 50k€ is not a lot for a vintage car. Why would FOUR people need to risk their lives for such a small sum? The gangsters seemed rich enough that they wouldn't need (or want) a favor from such knobs as these fellows. It looked like a set-up, like they just wanted to have some puppets to play with. But then why had the blonde guy taken Boxer under his protection in the jail?
The German police would never shoot getaway robbers, even if they were armed. If this was set in a trigger happy country like US, then maybe. But Berlin, Germany?!
Not to mention that they say they're leaving the club at 4 am, and the robbery is supposed to take place a bit before 7 am - yet the film is less than 3 hours long (luckily, it was waaaay too long).
All the places seem to be within 1 km within each other since they really don't spend that much time driving. They could've gone on foot.
The film portrays the Germans as extremely stupid, ignorant and incompetent. They only guys doing their job properly are the bouncers in the club.

[–] SamoanJoes 9 years ago

I think the reason for the one shot is to show seamlessly how someone could change in a short time. Having cuts would have seemed like this was happening overnight rather than two hours in real time.

[–] gavran213 9 years ago

People liked the movie more than I did, I MUST BITCH ABOUT IT ON IMDB, BECAUSE MY OPINION HAS TO BE HEARD, I'M IMPORTANT!!!!

[–] johncg25 9 years ago

Well, hes partially right. I liked it, but it felt like a "Pusher" rip-off, with less tension, and a gimmick in the 1 cut thing. I still gave it a generous 8 though, it was decent, but nothing amazing either. Basically, the 1 cut thing worked really well in the first hour or hour and a half, but then it went on much too long in the last 30-45 minutes which didn't even need to be there but since they wanted to do 1 cut it went on way too long. So...was it the best movie it could have been with no cuts...no...it hurt the film. Started off great and went way too long because of it and got cheesy and stupid towards the end, and was ultimately hurt by the gimmick.

[–] chrisg-33 9 years ago

Yes, it's crazy I bitched about a movie that I think is getting overrated on IMDB. Who would do such a thing?!? I gave my honest input and didn't give it a 1 like so many people do when they don't like something on here. In my opinion a rating of 8 should have a broader appeal. Of the 2 other people I watched it with, I was the only one able to sit through it.

[–] benman46 9 years ago

Funny, the 500+ people I saw it with all managed to sit through it. 2 other people really???

[–] zROV 9 years ago

Don't hate something just because you don't understand it .. She has good heart, they seemed nice, they kept calling her sister since the beginning, no one harassed her, so after this great night some connection between her and them emerged ( i find it so natural); she followed her heart and went to help them when they obviously had no chance but asking her to go with them .. No one expected such horrible ending!
Why not? We see it very often in American movies that the girl loves the bad guy and it passes with no fuss ...
Plus not every story should be that rational!

[–] hlmitchell31 9 years ago

Listen @gavran213, I think the OP is right too dude. And it perfectly makes sense to voice his opinion on IMDB. You did the same and you obnoxiously did it with caps. What does that say? LOL

[–] gavran213 8 years ago

It says I'm a sarcastic cünt and not a fücking idiot, like the OP.

[–] vividevie 9 years ago

Pretentious flick. Hard to sympathize with the girl. The bitch had it coming.

[–] n-m-grady7 9 years ago

Oh yes, how did she have it coming, and how did you come to the conclusion that she was a "bitch"??

I really am curious...

[–] leolamprecht-729-444296 9 years ago

Hard to sympathize with? really?? Every aspect of her life that we know about sounds like torture and still she is so warm-hearted that she sees the good in the four guys... that's just lovable.

[–] vividevie 9 years ago

You call "lovable" I call "stupidity" but of course you must be a guy. Guys wish all girls were like that and the world would be indeed your oyster!

[–] KawaiiKiwi 9 years ago

I could not relate to the character of Victoria either, I found it unrealistic. Being a girl myself, her behavior was not believable for a girl alone in another country, alone in a club, alone with a group of thugs she doesn't know, yet she follows them and then participate in a robbery?? Hell no way... The actress was good though but that's about it. The beginning was way too long and by the time stuff started happening, I wasn't interested anymore.

[–] dundgren 9 years ago

I didnt find the character of Victoria realistic either. As for her being alone and ignored in the club at the beginning, I dont buy that either. Then this Sonne guy, he was shot when they were running away from the police but did not bleed until about 20 mins later. And the taxi driver, he did not realize the merry couple was leaving behind their child. And the police, they let a young couple with a baby leave their appartment while there are two people around the area armed and dangerous.
The movie is fine but there are just too many things that remind you that youre not watching reality but a movie.

[–] Bazarovv 8 years ago

"Women aren't individuals, so since I happen to be female I am an authority on the behaviour of all females. I thus deem the characters behaviour unrealistic because it doesn't fit into my sense of identity as a women" - KawaiiKiwi

Meanwhile, back in reality, there are plenty of desperate, lonely women out there who do stupider sht then this, and women have their individual faults, desires, personality and tendencies.

[–] FortunaMarie 9 years ago

Hm, I guess everyone has different tastes, because I thought Sonne was very likeable and therefore I could understand why she went with them at the beginning. Especially because you know that she is lonely.

[–] smeesheady 9 years ago

I gave 1/10. Almost unwatchable and peace of trash. IMDB should introduce different voting system for foreign movies.

[–] dundgren 9 years ago

A foreign movie for whom? Sometimes we forget that our country is not the center of the world.

[–] mjdmcdermott 9 years ago

IMDB should have a different voting system for people with no comprehension of film.

[–] yan-trussart 8 years ago

IMDB should introduce a new voting system for people writing "peace of trash"...