Again this 'English with foreign accents' nonsense ?
Or do they speak real Czech, too ?
If this is again their solution for 'imaginary Czech',
then I'm angry.
both actors are irish and if you have seen the trailer they are speaking english in Czech accent but this movie will release world wide So its has to be in English but you are here to just troll.
shareyou're missing the point...
They could have used regular English without phony accents.
And they could have included Czech.
Hell, even Singer did include some German in "Valkyrie"....
And no phony accents.
It's stupid, always.
I agree, it's daft.
shareBut if they use english accent people will get more offensive becausetit's about Czech heroes.
shareBecause it's*. Hopefully when you see the movie you change your mind.
shareI am Czech and I wouldn´t get upset. This annoys me more, tbh. I can understand it with Czech actors (Ana Geislerova is Czech) but what is wrong with this being in English? The accents are very distracting. I am happy they finally noticed there were more heroes and there was a resistance also elswehre than just the UK and France but this accent thing is annoying everywhere.
sharethey should have made the actors speak normal english, instead of this offensive accent. it's just idiotic
shareThe accents can be distracting. However, the two leads are Irish, and coming in with strong Irish accents would have been worse.
shareWhat is "normal English" in this context? Murphy is from Ireland, and Dornan Northern Ireland. Having them speaking English with their own natural accents amongst mostly actual Czech/Slovak actors speaking English with their own Czech/Slovak accents would have been ridiculous. Even having them speaking with English/British accents would have jarred almost as much.
shareI agree. What many people objecting to this 'accent' issue seem oblivious to is that no accent is truly neutral.
It is probably ok for MacBeth to be staged in Arkansas with local actors doing their local accent. Might be a mistake to transfer that same production to the NY or London stage. And no, that isn't me being linguistically chauvinistic, it is just an awareness that 'out of context' damages the suspension of disbelief.
Drama is by definition contrivance, and this is supported by many decades of doing things a certain way on stage or in movies. One either does the 'foreign accent' (and sometimes these are fictitious accents) or one uses the handful of 'acceptable' drama accents that long usage has deemed unintrusive. These include RP, and the Hollywood mid Atlantic accent typified by Katherine Hepburn. A relative latecomer is the Australian 'educated English accent' as heard with Rush, Blanchett and Crowe. All of those actors (ok, maybe not Crowe) can do other accents, but only the most picky of reviewers would argue with the suitability of their 'normal' voices.
It might be a long time until audiences are comfortable with Birmingham (Alabama OR West Midlands) accents in a production set temporally or geographical remote from those voices. In the meantime, when a cast has actors from varying places, for the sake of consistency, there are only two real choices: the handful of acceptable stage accents, or a stock ethnic accent.
I think you're right. I personally wouldn't have minded watching a Czech language film (or whichever language the people on whom this film is based spoke)
I didn't like the accents but it's a lose-lose situation either way. As a director, you go with what you feel is right.
While I don't go out of my way to avoid subtitled movies, and I think it is a better way to go than a bad dub, reading subtitles changes the way we watch a movie. Reading is a significantly different experience to watching and listening naturally. In some senses it is 'anti drama'. It certainly prevents the immediacy of what is happening having a full impact. Much gets overlooked; literally.
This comes up a fair bit when people are talking about anime. I have never understood the fierce advocacy of subtitles over dubs. I can't see how the person reading the titles can be getting the full value of the visuals. And as a cartoon, even in its own language it is dubbed.
I would find it much less offensive than using RUSSIAN accent reminding Czechoslovaks country which occupied them longer than Nazis did (USSR).
So if you can't get central European (PL/CZ/SK) Slavic English accent right, then please don't do it at all instead of using disgusting Russian accent any mediocre English speaker from Czechoslovakia can hear and of course any native English speaker who met person from Czechoslovakia and Russia at least once.
You can easily hear difference when Czechs speak their accented English and when you get that disgusting Russian English, it's easy comparison with those 2 girlfriends, the old red haired (Geislerova) is native Czech, the other young one (Le Bon) is talking with Russian accent, also the mother with violinist son is native Czech which can be easily heard at her accent.
Now at least two main characters didn't went the Russian way, otherwise it would not be possible to watch more than few minutes, but each time I heard Russian accent I wanted to turn it off.
So I don't accept that *beep* about English actors speaking accented English to make it more consistent for viewers. Why some actors can speak accented English which s not completely offputing and some are just idiots who think that people everywhere east from Germany speak Russian? Poor choice of bad actors who can't even learn proper accent for movie.
The best - Fight Club, American Beauty & Falling Down.
I watch a little of a movie on TCM yesterday, don't even remember what it's called - it's from 1963 with Jack Nicholson playing a 19th century French serviceman chasing a ghost or something. Ghost was played by Shirley Knight.
So here's Jack and Shirley sounding exactly the way they do now. I found it very off-putting to keep trying to remember that they were supposed to be French when they sound like Americans. Plus there was Boris Karlov sounding like Boris Karlov, not a French guy. As much as I liked Alive, it sounds weird that many of these South American athletes sounded like they came from New York or Cincinnati. I found it odd that everyone in The Borgias sounded British.
Was it Tony Curtis in some ancient-Rome movie, I think The Silver Chalice (maybe it was Paul Newman) who delivered the line: Yanda lies the castle of my fadder...like he just arrived from Brooklyn.
That's whey they should speak with accents native to the nationality of the characters they are playing.