Haven't we established that only beings of extra-ordinary power can utilize the power of infinite stones? Ordinary beings can not even touch it.
But iron man, an ordinary human, now can wield all 6 stones?
I guess the suit gave him enough protection to perform the snap.
shareI don't think so.
It is not like you just wear the glove and snap your finger. The power of stones is supposed to flow through your body so your mind can control just about everything in universe. A suit is nothing compare to that and I hardly think it will help.
Iron Man, an ordinary human, as the OP said, wielded the gauntlet. Yes, but he died doing it. The power of the stones gave him omnipotent abilities, but destroyed him in the process.
shareIf you have watched Guardians of the Galaxy, most people, even a half celestial, their bodies disintegrate before they could wield the power of infinity stones.
The power of the stone needs to flow through your body first before you can use it, Ronan clearly demonstrated that (Thanos too), even Hulk's body was burning when wearing the gauntlet. Iron man should have died during that process before being able to wield stone's power.
Perhaps the suit absorbed the stone energy
shareReally, the power to destroy universe, a man made suit could absorb all of it's energy? If the suit can do that, why not just build that function in the gauntlet?
shareThe gauntlet does that and so did Tonyโs gauntlet , if you notice his arm looks thinner once the power has been absorbed
shareYeah, that is why Hulk's body was burning when he wears it, and Hulk is qualified as being of extra-ordinary power, almost as powerful as Thanos.
I repeat again, an average being will die when the power of infinity stone flows through their body. And that is the only way to wield the full power of the stones.
Do you guys work for Disney or simply just accept whatever is fed to you?
And tony died because of it , i dont see the issue , and with the suit on tony is no average human , he is iron man .
shareI will go with Disney employee.
shareWhat are you talking about? This is a marvel film distributed and financed by Disney , endgame is a fantastic movie and the ending is superb, it was a great ending , not sure why you're being so anal about it.
shareYou bring up a good point but I think the answer lies in Iron Man 2. The new element Tony synthesized for his arc reactor was based (By Howard Stark) off the power of the tesseract which housed the space stone. So in theory the thing that kept him alive long enough to use the power of the stones was from the power of the stones itself.
shareBut that artificial heart is to power his suit, not himself. He is still an average person. To perform the snap I believe you need to house the power of all stones in your person, to achieve omniscience and omnipotence, then you can do whatever you want when you snap your finger.
Not the action of snapping finger has any power. It is you as a being because the power of stones is omniscient and omnipotent. Tony is an average person I don't think his body can house that much power. That was my point.
I think there had to be something with the arc reactor that was allowing it. If any other person, Ant Man, Black Panther, Captain tried holding it they would die almost instantly. Tony minus the arc reactor would too. The way the scene played is it looked like the energy of the stones was traveling to the arc reactor on his chest, at least as I remember it.
You point is good, and this is the only explanation I can think of that makes it work. The movie should have maybe pointed out more that this was the case so as not to cause possible continuity issues.
It's very likely that the tesseract tech was used in many aspects of his armor, especially considering how drastically the tech improved. Your point is worth considering, but at the end of the day, the abilities the suit gives him in this regard isn't clarified either way, but you can't ignore that he used armor to hold it vs any other human we've seen who immediately died, so those aren't direct comparisons. I'd say the fact that he DOESN'T immediately die is all of the exposition needed to clarify that his armor gave him a slight enough edge to hold the stone temporarily.
shareTony is not stronger himself because of the suit. If suit was relevant in anyway in this situation then Jarvis would be able to perform the snap instead of Hulk or Tony.
shareHe obviously designed that armor with that in mind. If you're going to accept that 6 gems can power the universe, you can't complain when one of the most brilliant minds in the universe comes up with a technology-based method to harness the power of those gems while momentarily mitigating some of their damaging effects. After all, you're seemingly fine with the fact that trillions of dead people came back to life 5 years after disintegrating, so...
shareThere are many technologically more advanced civilizations such as Kree, could not figure out that, but iron man obviously can?
And I am not going to go into details of time travel, which is full of holes no matter how you look at it. But this is too obvious.
They decide to kill off iron man and let him die heroically, so screw the logic. Well, I am not going to let them disrespect my intellect like that.
So you are ok with the logic of a guy who turns big, super strong and impervious to damage when he gets angry, but not with the logic of a guy wielding the stones toghether. Cool.
shareWell, in an earlier avengers movie 1 stone would disintegrate you immediately. I think what he is saying is that Iron man should have died right away wearing all the stones. Which makes perfect sense according to the movies. Some people just like a movie to be a little bit consistent. And some people just like cool cgi action, which is fine, if you enjoyed it, good for you.
shareExactly!
shareIt isn't consistent with those other deaths because they weren't wearing alien assisted tech armor, which evidently is enough of a variable to allow brief control. He still died,it just bought him a few moments.
shareRonan did that with his staff, but he still needed to absorb the stone's power to use it. You don't think anyone with a staff can use the stone, do you?
sharelol your totally right, he shouldve died right away, but shh just enjoy the cgi and explosions, pew pew, great movie! 8.6 on imdb
shareWhen you consider the journey that Iron man has been on I don't think you can class him as an ordinary human being. His intellect alone puts him above that category. Also if you consider the amount of times he has laid down his own life to save everyone else, yeah he's pretty damn awesome. That being said I get that it nearly killed hulk just to bring people back and physically Iron Man has no leg to stand on in that regard.
One thing that I think works in his favour though is his intellect and his obsessive nature. I think the loss of Peter Parker really weighed on him so much so that even though he had Morgan it wasn't right that he survived and Peter didn't. Knowing what he did from his fight from Thanos (because come on his suits are always going to be recording that kind of data) he would have been working on a way that he could bring him pack. So I think he was already toying with time travel as well as making a suit that would be able to handle the infinity stones.
So in conclusion I think his suit had enough in it to wield the stones but he was never able to predict how much it would take to use them, because although he is obsessive he has a knack for underestimating his opponents at the same time. So no not everyone can wield them I just think Iron Man was that little bit more prepared than anyone other than hulk.
So you understand he can't use infinity stones but emotionally you want him to be able to.
But just think about it, if technology exists to let anyone with a death wish to use infinity stones and destroy the universe, then universe would have been long gone.
Also as an engineer I can tell you that won't work. If he designed a suit to handle infinity stones, then it has to be tested. Remember how iron man first tested his suit? You start with one stone then work your way up. The way he was doing testing? He would have died during that process.
>>>Also as an engineer I can tell you that won't work. If he designed a suit to handle infinity stones, then it has to be tested.<<<
No. What you mean is it SHOULD be tested. Nothing has to be tested. If your dumb, or if you are in extremis, you may very well use a device that has not been tested. This certainly was extremis.
Iron man is an engineer, not an idiot.
shareYou are correct. But he was in extremis. Thanos was about to use the stones. Tony took them. If he didn't use them, Thanos had already demonstrated that he could take them back. Are you saying Thanos would have paused and waited if Tony said "Excuse me, I need to test my armor to see if I can use the stones?" I'm sure Thanos would be happy to wait. Not.
So, no time to test. No time to reflect. Use them or Thanos takes them back and sends half of life back to the dust.
(Or you can take the position of E E Doc Smith Norlaminians from the Skylark series. They don't test machines. Why? Because properly built machines work properly.)
You got it all wrong. Iron man has his suit and all 6 stones for a while, long enough for him to build a gauntlet.
shareHe did build a gauntlet which was used by the Hulk (who was judged the most likely to survive using it.) I could be remembering incorrectly, but I don't think that was what he was using in the battle.
And even with that one, how do you test it except to use it?
Have you even watched the movie? Everyone was arguing who should be chosen to use the gauntlet. There was no designated user. Hulk argued that he was the most likely one to be able to do it and I think he was right.
When Thanos tortured Thor to get Tesseract, all he did was let power stone touch Thor and Thor was dying because of it. So I don't think Thor can do it, or he might be able to do it and die because his body did not immediately disintegrate while touching the stone. But certainly not iron man.
And what part of what I said suggests to you that I didn't watch the movie? I said >>> He did build a gauntlet which was used by the Hulk (who was judged the most likely to survive using it.<<<
So, I didn't say argue. But I did say that Hulk was the one designated because he was the most likely to survive. so I don't know why you think I didn't watch.
The gauntlet should be a very simple mechanism to direct the power of stones, and to be honest I think it is a reach to say iron man was even able to build such a device.
Thanos built his in the forge, in the heart of a neutron star, something built with that is more likely able to handle the power of stones.
But you are right, the only way to test it is to use it. But the correct engineering way is to add stones one by one.
Yes, that would be the correct way. But truly, what would they test? Individually, the stones did different things. It was only in combination that they could bring the snapped back. And they would be taken a very big risk if Hulk would die before they got through all six stones. Who would do it then?
As for Tony, you should never underestimate his abilities. Though not noticed in the MCU do to the Sony thing, Tony and Reed Richards are considered two of the most brilliant minds on earth and probably off it. They have both created devices far beyond anything current technology should warrant. So yeah, I have no issues with Tony being able to create a gauntlet that would work; or even jury-rigging his armor to act as a gauntlet on the fly. Granted, it killed him.
So you are saying Hulk could die before testing even complete so the best way is to let him wield all 6 stones without any testing?
Nobody can say Leonardo da Vinci was not a genius and a great engineer as well, but can he build an airplane? The the basic science and industrial base just weren't there. The same with Starks, Earth technology was just not that advanced. Otherwise Tony would have been building a space cruiser instead of a suit.
But anyway, I understand there are people that are just simply in denial and willing to ignore all logic, that is fine.
Okay, everything depends on returning the snapped. Only one being available may survive. That's a may. Using less than six could kill him as well. You only have one chance. So lets see if he dies before we get to six and have no chance of returning the snapped. Logic would dictate we use all six. He may die. Or the snapped will come back. Or maybe both.
Its not a great analogy, but lets try this. You have a gun. It has six chambers. Someone is going to kill someone else in the next few minutes. So lets put in one bullet, spin the cylinder. Will it fire? Maybe. If it doesn't, will put in two bullets and try again.
Personally, If I have to be sure of killing this person, I'm going to put in all six bullets.
And as I said, it is far from a good analogy (and all analogies are flawed), but the best I can come up with on short notice.
I can tell you are not an engineer, not with that analogy.
Testing is safe enough because Thor was in contact with one stone and he did not die, at least it would have to take quite some time to kill him. He recovered completely with a good night of sleep.
Hulk was even able to hold time stone from ancient one without any problems.
It is all in the movies if you were paying attention.
Actually I am. You are not getting it at all. ONLY six stones would work. Lets try again. Hulk is perfectly safe if he uses 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 stones. If he uses 6, he may die.
Now, of what possible use is testing less than 6? It won't work. Even if the gauntlet is perfect it won't work. Even if Thanos walked in and said he would be happy to reverse it, less than 6 stones won't work.
So you have only one thing to do. Use all six stones. What would like him to do? Command them to grow a flower? Work his way up? I wouldn't try that since using six stones could kill him at any time.
It would seem we are at an impasse. You think this was a laboratory experiment with all safety protocols in place. I say it was a live fire exercise that could only be done once.
We are unlikely to come to an agreement.
The testing is about 2 things: the first one is to test whether the gauntlet can properly conduct the all the power of the stones. In other words is the gauntlet even functional? That just has to be tested. Not testing that is just really stupid. What if Hulk died because the power of the stones was not properly conducted and directed, or the gauntlet melt or turned into dust half way through?
The second is to test whether Hulk or Thor can handle the power of stones, thus incremental testing is important. What if Hulk died because he was too weak to perform the snap? His life is not that meaningless even if you don't care about him.
After testing one stone you should be able to tell roughly whether either Thor or Hulk can take all 6 stones because the power of stones is roughly equal.
If you are an engineer then I can only hope you are not working on something serious.
Again, WHAT WOULD YOU TEST! There is no indication that using the stones is less if a smaller wish is made. How would you test the gauntlet? From everything we see the stones require a will to activate? Again, use it or don't. There is no test.
And in addition, one stone means nothing. Using a single stone is possible to many beings. (Vision uses one all the time. So did Dr. Strange.). But ONLY SIX stones can be used to do what they want to do. What any of the other stones individually do is meaningless.
Also as an engineer I can tell you that won't work. If he designed a suit to handle infinity stones, then it has to be tested. Remember how iron man first tested his suit? You start with one stone then work your way up. The way he was doing testing? He would have died during that process.Ahem, Tony has had several "Real World" tests both absorbing and re-distributing other-worldly energy with his suits and via his suits, Avengers 1, as well as Avengers:Endgame, when Thor directed Mjolnir at his armor and not only did it do some damage to Tony's armor but it protected Tony as well as increased the available suit energy above and beyond what his internal Arc reactor was supplying to his suit. 400% capacity? That's some serious tech that Tony is wearing!
One blast from Thor his suit in 400% capacity. How much power do you think is in infinity stones? Tesseract (space stone) alone can power the entire planet. The tiny suit can contain the power of all 6 stones?
You bend facts to that extend to suit your narrative, but ignoring the simple truth that it is the person needs to contain and control the power of stones, to achieve omniscience and omnipotence. Otherwise why not just build a huge machine to do the job?
Also now you mentioned it, the part about iron man can withstand the power stone blast does not really make sense. That is the power to destroy a planet. It certainly destroyed the titan moon like a piece of cake. The iron man suit should not be able to take that blast.
shareIronman isn't powerful? Where is the line drawn?
shareJust be happy Iron Man is finally. fucking. dead.
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