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The scene was eye-rollingly cheesy, but getting physically ill? Wat???
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I liked it. I thought it was a nice moment. Seems like a pretty minor and silly thing to be upset about.
shareIt didn't really bother me, it was just kind of silly because females warriors from Wakanda and other female superheros had already shown up to do battle. Hell, Wasp was there before Captain Marvel even appeared! It didn't add anything to the scene nor detract. It was kind of an "all righty then" moment that made you shrug your shoulders.
shareActually I could see feminists being offended by the moment
It was shoehorned in, unlike the Wakanda scene w/ Wanda, Okoye & Natasha, because there was no in-movie reason for ALL those women to be in the SAME EXACT PLACE at that moment in the battle.
In IW, Okoye & Natasha were already tracking Wanda because of her value on the field
In Endgame, Pepper and Valkyrie were close by, possibly Wanda since she was actively keeping Thanos from the gauntlet and she can fly.
But all the others CAN'T fly and weren't all together.
And Hope?!? She was at the van with Scott, the DESTINATION they were trying to reach.
When you purposely shoehorn a moment like this, it serves to marginalize women further, precisely because you're so obviously pandering to them.
It's like when Zinke said "konnichiwa" to a U.S. Representative simply because she was of Japanese ancestry (language isn't genetically transferred BTW). He was superficially trying to seem courteous, but was actually (maybe consciously) treating her as an outsider.
Was it dumb? Yes. Did it warrant a crybaby snowflake rant like this? No.
shareI certainly didn't get physically ill, but I did think it was dumb as hell, made no sense other than to get a statement in there, and took me out of the movie for a few moments during the climactic battle scene.
Do some women have self esteem so low that they need to see corny cringeworthy moments like that in movies to feel better about themselves? Yikes.
All the women were doing fine in the main battle. They really didn't need a group photo to say "look at us, we're tough and we can fight too, yay." That scene just screamed needy and desperate.
Thankfully it was quick and didn't ruin the final battle.
As I said in a different post/thread about this, I was in the middle on it. I do like seeing strong female characters in movies (and I'm a guy/male, by the way). So seeing all the women come together and in one shot was pretty cool, but after going home and thinking about the movie, I did have some issues with the moment. Main thing was the all the women's placements on the battlefield during the battle. Pretty sure they were all scattered throughout the battlefield. The one that came to me the most was Wasp. I thought she was with Ant-Man during the battle and the two were battling side-by-side. Plus I thought they continued to fight side-by-side off-screen after the van fail and the van getting blown up. So I was thinking, "wait, wasn't Wasp with Ant-Man? So you are telling me she just randomly ditched Ant-Man/Scott Lang aka her partner and boyfriend to go join up in an all-girl/woman moment? Plus wouldn't she be too busy fighting minions (with Ant-Man) to even notice all the other women grouping together?" And I'm pretty sure some of the women were on the completely opposite side of the battlefield from where Captain Marvel was. So you are saying they teleported/ran to the other side of the battlefield? What if one of them or a few of them were trying to save another hero? So (for example AND a "what if"), Mantis randomly stopped trying to save Drax and possibly teleported/ran to the other side of the battlefield to assist Captain Marvel? And what if Ant-Man was needing some assistance in a life-or-death moment? You are telling me Wasp just ditched Ant-Man (her boyfriend and work partner) and said "screw you, save yourself" so she could assist Captain Marvel? Come on now. The moment WAS cool and I would like to see an all-female team-up superhero movie (A-Force movie), but something seemed a little off about stuff when thinking about that moment/shot in the final battle. So I'm overall in the middle on it.
shareIt did not make me ill, that would be slightly over dramatic lol He did, however, make me roll my eyes and take me off the movie for a few sec as it was way too nonsensical. Why in the heat of the battle all these women would gather in that one place? So stupid.
shareTry, for your own sake, to not get your own panties too much in a knot
I only say this because this movie was written by two white men, and directed by two other white men
There will come a point when Marvel feels pressured to have mainly women writing women characters and woman-centric scenes, and this shit will seem like a joke in comparison
Jessica Jones season 2 was written and directed almost exclusively by women and it was unwatchable (to me). This is a male's idea of feminist filmmaking, just wait till women become the heads of the MCU like they are in Lucasfilm
I don't think it really matters who is in the writer's/director's chair. The first Fifty Shades Of BS movie was written and directed by a woman (or at least directed by a woman). The sequel was written and directed by men (or maybe it was just directed by a man). Apparently everyone says the first Fifty Shades movie is WAY better than the sequel and more tolerable to watch than the sequel. Not sure about the third movie. Wasn't really watching reviews or anything. Maybe it was directed by the same person who did the sequel since the second and third movie were shot back-to-back. So I think it's all who's in the writer and director's chairs and comes down to their skills/talent and not so much what is between their legs. It's the same thing with moviegoers. Some women LOVED the shot of all the women coming together while other women absolutely hated it and felt it was SJW nonsense being forced into the movie. It's almost like acting too. In some movies I think the one doing the best acting is a male actor while in other movies a female actor did the best acting. So maybe they didn't get the right women to write and direct Jessica Jones Season 2. Maybe another group of women could've done a better job writing Season. But there is always the possible that men could've written a better Season 2. I haven't watched Jessica Jones yet, so I don't know. I'm just going off your opinion about it and what I've seen throughout the years with movies and TV shows.
shareFifty Shades is not a good example, IMO, because feminists would, right off the bat, consider this book series to be anti-feminist. Even though it was written by a woman, it is notorious for its depiction of an abusive, male-dominant relationship, at least according to most critics. El James's writing is not at all respected among the feminist elite, or among anyone with any taste, really
The movies were always going to be fodder for critics, no matter who wrote, directed, or starred in it. The books started out as Twilight fan-fiction. Twilight itself is a critically-loathed series. So a derivative series based on a masochistic relationship where the billionaire white male is the dominant partner might as well be garlic to a feminist vampire
Jessica Jones 2 attempted to be a genuine feminist story. The three central characters were all women. It passes the Bechdel Test with flying colors. It has a complex plot that centers on a mother-daughter relationship...and it's fucking awful. Jessica Jones season 1 was one of the best things that the MCU ever produced, even including ALL of the movies. Season 2 was a soap opera with shitty action, annoying characters, and a crap story