I don't like when people say you can swap a Captain Marvel's gender and there would be no difference
A Strong female character can't be replaced by a man and a Strong Male Character can't be replaced by a woman genders are important in writing
And there is the crux of the problem. It is always "Empowerment", "Strong Female Characaters". When in actuality all the writers are doing is bemoaning and emasculating men to make the female character look good/strong.
There was a good article i read, i wish i could find it again where it is stated that the push for this so called "Strong Female Character" is actually harming actresses because they are nearly always written as Mary Sues.
No movie fan cares what sex, gender or sexual orientation the charcater is as long as its an intriguing, well written character that overcomes struggles to reach there goal. It shows they have weaknesses. You see this a lot in male characters but very very very rarely in female characters due to the constant push for the fabled "Strong Female Character". All that actually does is make the character boring and uninteresting.
Perfect modern day examples which have been lauded by the feminists and soyboys are of course "Rey" and "Captain Marvel", truely boring and uninteresting characters.
One day writters/producers/directors will just make a good, well writen charcater that happens to be female. It is always the agenda first, entertainment second.
There was also that Woman in Rogue One. Was she a strong woman? I have no idea, can't remember anything about her.
There are already plenty of interesting female characters in Marvel movies. They just aren't the leads. But there are also interesting female leads. Wonder Woman for example. Her weakness was her naivity I guess. She is more of a Captain America type I though, the interesting thing is seeing her ideals come up against reality.
Furiosa was a good lead female character. I mean that movie was packed full of woke propoganda/"metaphors" for patriarchy, but it was a good film so who gives a fuck.
My Idea of a strong female character isn't a Mary sue but when female viewers see her they connect with them and see so much of themselves already in the character but also someone that they would like to be like because trying to be more like that person would just make them a better version of themselves they are happier with.
shareMaybe this is the article:
[url]https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2013/08/i-hate-strong-female-characters[url/]
I haven't seen the movie yet, I love Marvel but this one just didn't appeal to me from the trailers. I know this is terrible, I should watch it before commenting 'anything', however, could you explain to me how it emasculated men? I hate watching movies that gender bash and lately there has been a whole lot of that. It's such a turn off.
shareTHAT SHIT ONLY EXISTS IF YOURE UNCONCIOUSLY LOOKING FOR IT...YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM KIDDO,NOT THE ENTERTAINMENT.
shareSometimes it does exist. There are definitely men who have something against women and vice versa, it doesn't have to be hate for the gender or even anything close to hate, just hangups about gender issues. I'm also hoping to be educated on what men find emasculating, I think it's an important part of being a woman, knowing what NOT to do or say, what can be offensive. I want to always be my boyfriend's best friend, just as he makes the effort to be mine.
shareThis comment is complete and utter bullshit.
There is a ton of pandering and political messages in films like this, especially in today's world. There would be no way to get around it with a movie like this.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, and some people love it, and some people hate it...but it's certainly present. Entertainment can have the problem too, kiddo.
I felt Wonder Woman did it right at least.
shareNot sure I follow or agree with your 2nd statement. But yeah, if this movie were gender swapped? Captain Marvel becomes a misogynist incel and the whole movie gets decried as "male power fantasy" and hate speech. I've not heard anyone suggest there'd be no difference. To me that's why this movie, and so much Hollywood narrative today, comes off not as equality but just plain male bashing.
There are strong female characters like Ripley in Aliens or Sarah Connor in T2, and there are "strong female characters" aka Mary Sues like sokar described. I'd like to see that article, if you can find it. I wonder if some people in the industry are finally realizing this.
i have been googling for a while. It was one of those ones where i was going through link after link and stumbled across it.
In it's basic form it was describing how the term "Strong Female Charcater" is harmfull as it emplys that they do not exist unlesss they are punching men 3 times there size or fighting toxic masculinty in some form. It then goes on to say that we should be striding for good female charcaters with flaws. Woman are not perfect just like men but you will find men are written as flawed and have to overcome issues in some form. These characters then do not translate over to woman as no writer would pen words describing the same issue for woman, just doesn't happen.
The movie should always be to create the characters first and then worry about who is playing them second. If that turns out the best person for the role are black, one eyed, transgender, lesbian, one legged, intersex person then so be it, no one would really care. The probem is modern cinema and TV is opposite, it is about inclusion and diversty (which is always code for less white men) first and then the story second and all that does is harm the product as we are seeing over and over. It has happened in Star Wars, Star Trek and many others. Batwoman being the latest.
It needs to stop. I and many others enjoy movies for entertainment only, i don't go watch a superhero flick to be lectured about whatever current buzzword is being pushed.
As mentioned above i thought Jyn Erso (Rogue One) was actually pretty good. There are many great female characters throughout history but this new trend needs amending quickly as people are and will start turning off.
The movie was pretty good as is. You're free to make your own, if you can find financial backers.
shareThere would be a difference. But that doesn't mean this movie doesn't work - in a way, that's exactly why it works. If a man was to enter a field dominated by women, he wouldn't be treated as inferior by his coworkers. For example, I have a male friend who is employed as a social worker. His office is made up of predominantly women, all of whom adore him. I can't imagine any situation where they would look down on him or name call him for being in the same field they're in. But this is not historically true for women in male-dominated fields. So no, swapping the genders of certain characters around doesn't work.
I don't understand the use of the word strong in the second sentence, nor do I necessarily agree with the statement. For example, there's no reason I can think of that Spider-Man needs to be a male character based on who Peter Parker is as a person. If it's based on the word 'man' in the title, that's a pretty weak reason. Also, what makes this character strong or not strong?
I think you're going to need to define strong for me, then tell me why being strong is so important in the first place. For example, a lot of people claim that Sarah Connor in Terminator 2: Judgement Day is a prime example of a strong female character. However, I completely disagree. I think Sarah Connor of The Terminator is way stronger. But who do I like more? Both, equally.
Also, why are Mary Sue characters looked down on, but Gary Stus are not? Iron Man is not getting any shit for being one.
I think that article you found sums how I'd reply to this. Iron Man is a lot like CM personality wise, sure, but I don't recall any of his victories coming easily and he was clearly often conflicted.
I like that the article mentions Superman being one of the best fitting Gary Stus because it reminds me of how Man of Steel is my favorite Superman film - it's about the challenges he has to overcome before basically becoming god on earth. Fitting in growing up, his father's death, Zod who shows back up and quickly becomes his equal in power, etc.
And good point about Sarah Connor; you could say she was stronger in a way in T1, unprepared and terrified but confronting the machine anyway.
I guess a good summation of the article and argument is you can't validate a poorly written female character just by making her "strong".
I agree, the article sums it up nicely.
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