How is it possible that Infinity War has less user reviews than Captain Marvel?
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_infinity_war
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvelu
I figured something fishy was going on, my ack senses were alerted this morning.
shareTroll bots spamming 1s, and fan bots spamming 5s
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It started at 17%, then the audience score was removed, now its 60%. It basically means there are thousands of fake up votes.
share[–] Bubbathegut (5181) 7 days ago
Yeah, thats not a good sign. I expect CM to be a moderate success just because there will be no competition.
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good call Bubba
150 M+ OW....
1 Billion + total guaranteed...
yep Moderate Success here we come
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User Ratings: 68,446
lots of fockery going on still. has more reviews in 6 days than IW did in its entire run, suspicious?
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Conspiracy Nuts confirmed.
shareyeah like hollywood wouldn't make it part of their release strategy to inject a ton of good reviews for their movie. Hardly a conspiracy theory bud, they'd literally be dumb not to do it in today's day and age. Don't you realize that it's practically free marketing that can be automated? That is called business, not conspiracy, sorry.
shareHollywood isn't a single entity though. Hollywood consists of several companies competing with each other. Rotten Tomatoes is owned by Fandango which is owned by Universal which is owned by Comcast. None of those are Disney. Comcast and Disney are competitors yet Disney's MCU consistently gets better reviews than Universal's franchises on RT.
Just because you want something to be true just so you can criticize an industry it doesn't mean its true.
It doesn't matter who owns the movie review site. These producers are paying script kiddies in India to generate a ton of automated reviews to all the review sites. This is the latest in Movie marketing. They inject a ton of 9/10 and 10/10 fake reviews on imdb, and RT. You can clearly see these on movies that are obviously only 6/10 movies, but so many reviews are like: "Best movie ever" and such. They are obvious. Just because you don't understand how computer automation works, doesn't mean it's not possible. I've been working with automation and computers for over 20 years, and I know this is easily possible. They could also automate youtube comments, likes, dislikes, ALL OF IT!! And, since most of these services are ran out of India, it's really cheap too!!
shareThe scores on RT are way more important than the reviews. You can write all the fake reviews you want but if that score is low then its all for nothing.
shareYou don't think they can automate someone giving a score? Or, are you talking about the audience score or the tomato meter score? Audience scores can be automated the same way as the reviews.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/jurassic_world_fallen_kingdom
Universal with that third-dimensional thinking. Low-balling their mega franchise movie to lower expectations right?
Probably damaged by real reviews. Is the movie any good? I haven't seen it, and JP seems like it's releasing too many sequels, and sequels notoriously are bad, and make people upset. Or, more likely maybe is the negative reviews were paid for by their competition. Some studios don't even know you can buy these things, so they get railroaded by the other studios who buy more bad reviews/scores for them.
shareBut its so cheap! India!
If they don't know it exists, it doesn't matter how cheap it is.
shareSome studios don't know? Holy shit you're all over the place with this one.
You conspiracy nuts will say anything to fit your narrative.
Why would all studios have to know about doing something so unethical? Perhaps there are studios out there with some integrity?
shareThe movie was fine. It deserves its 78%. Just get on with your life.
shareThen, i'd guess that whatever unethical competing studio(s) were releasing an action film the same time as Jurassic World likely sabotaged their ratings by purchasing the bots to inject a ton of bad reviews and scores. It's simple stuff to understand, and would definitely get people to watch their movie instead after people saw the Jurassic World score.
shareThere were bad reviews that were obviously fake because the movie hadn't come out yet. RT removed them and then went on with their lives. You didn't. You instead drank the kool-aid and went full conspiracy nut claiming everything was fake just because a few fake reviews were removed pre-release.
We get it. You wanted the movie to suck and it didn't. You wanted it to get lower than 78% so you declare its 78% is false. You wanted it to make less money so you claim Disney bought their own tickets.
At the end of the day you're just a useless cog in the boycott wheel that went nowhere. Conspiracies is all you have left. India! Its so CHEAP! But not all studios know about it like I do! Including perhaps the biggest studio there is... Universal. LULZ
Sure they removed the fake reviews that came out before release, but did they scrub the fake reviews after the release? I doubt it.
I never watched or care about CM, i was only responding to you about this conspiracy of buying reviews and scores.
I said some studios might not do it because they think it's unethical (not that they don't know about it).
If you cannot go to IMDB and see the fake reviews for yourself, then you're brain is broken. It's very obvious if you read them that they are automated.
Keep living in your dreamworld where no one is buying fake reviews. Keep telling yourself that it doesn't happen. You are an absolute naive joke.
They didn't scrub reviews because there's no way to tell the reviews are fake once the movie comes out. And like I said reviews mean little compared to RT's critic aggregate. So CM is stuck with the most negative (anti-Brie campaign) reviews of any MCU movie and its also stuck with the most negative (anti-Brie campaign) audience score. If RT was doing what you claimed they were doing then both the audience score and the bad reviews would've been wiped to match the critics score. The fact they weren't ruins your entire conspiracy just like Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom does. The joke is that you are too stupid to realize any of this. Its not naive to disbelieve things you provide no evidence for. Its called common sense. You should try using some for a change.
shareI think you're confused about what i'm saying. Actors, Directors, Studios, and many other people involved in these films are BUYING REVIEWS so they can prop up their movies. I don't not understand why you think this would be a conspiracy. It's just a business model. They do it because they can, and because the service exists. It's practically free marketing to them since it's so cheap, and they're so rich. Are you really going to sit here, and tell me they would never do that? Tah!
shareBecause Infinity War's success is flowing to the next major step in the overall project, which is Captain Marvel.
Its also why poor sequels to popular movies can end up with a bigger opening weekend than the first.
Plus you have the anti's swarming to vote this one down.
Whats weird is that the numbers are going up not down.
shareBecause the movie actually opened.
shareTrue, but how does a side kick movie get more reviews than a flag ship movie?
shareReptilian crab people. Obviously.
shareCM is a flagship movie. CM is essentially the hero version of Thanos.
If she is a sidekick... then sidekick to whom???
Not really a flagship movie, if it was they would have made a CM 10 years ago. After the success of WW, the CM movie was fast tracked to take advantage of the current state of the movie market.
shareTiming is irrelevant. It's a flagship movie for a major Marvel character who has been around for decades.
Obviously she is a sidekick to no one.
Lastly, "per se" is a two word phrase.
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CM is the 21st Marvel movie. She was shoehorned into the Infinity War Saga. Its pretty obvious at this point. It would be like Disney making a spin off move about Rey right before Ep 9 was released. If you want to get technical she is actually not CM but is actually Ms. Marvel. DC was not smart enough to license the name Captain Marvel so Marvel took the name.
Marvel has been riding DC comics coat tails since 1939. Its just a fact of life.
There were clearly a ton of bots programmed to vote negatively on the Captain Marvel page, hence the discrepancy. It seems that RT is slowly clearing out the fakes, hence the gradual rise in rating to one that better mirrors all the other scores the film has received.
shareThis from the guy who said CM would struggle to reach Ghostbuster numbers.
Sure you ain't high?
They've deleted about 60,000 user reviews, and then bot army'd the score.
RT is fake news.
The real conspiracy is that Captain Marvel had more user reviews on RT than Infinity War BEFORE the movie was even released and they were all negative. So if there were any deleted reviews, those were perfectly legitimate.
shareIf all the negative reviews were deleted then why weren't all the fake positive reviews deleted? CM now has 70,000 reviews, which is 12,000 more than one of the biggest movies in history.
shareActually IW only had 53,905 reviews.
AUDIENCE SCORE
User Ratings: 53,905
All reviews were deleted before the release of the film. Pay attention.
shareRT doesn't allow reviews before release day. This is fake news.
shareYes RT did (but no longer does) allow comments and reviews as part of their want to see data collection. This is where the controversy started with "Review Bombing" prior to release.
Definitely NOT fake news.
They were not reviews, it was a "Do you intend to SEE the movie" with a blurb abouyt why or why not. Those aren't reviews. Very fake news.
shareSorry, you could write whatever you wanted in that section such that people were reviewing a movie they did not see, reviewing and commenting on an Actor they did not like and making all manner of comments and reviews to disparage a movie. There were no adhered to rules that were followed.
Thus "Reviews".
Comprende compadre?
A review is a description of your likes and dislikes of a movie which may include spoliers and plot details and in it's simplest form is your opinion of what you think which is all a critical review is. You can try and be as unbias as possible but in the end it is just your opinion.
A comment about not seeing a movie or disliking a certain actress which as far as i was aware it is still a free country and you can actually dislike someone, even if you wrote a thousand page essay describing how much you disliked said actress and her movie that is still not a review, if confused see above.
No other movie in the hstory of RT has had so much protection, why didn't they remove that feature with Ghostbusters or The Last Jedi or at any time in the last few years. Their was no reason to as it was just a comments section but suddenly a female super"her"o in the MCU and everyone goes on full troll protection mode.
You dislike Brie Larson you are a sexist. RT deletes it.
You dislike the movie, you are a mysoginist who is afraid of female leads. RT deletes it.
You leave a negative comment and about your dislike and intention of not seeing the movie and that is review bombing. RT deletes it.
You leave an actual negative review after the release, which again their is absolutely nothing wrong with that, my god you cannot like everyhting that is made. Movies are entertainment and as such subjective to people's likes, dislikes and opinion's. But again because you go aganst the narrative you are all of the above including whatever "ism" is passed around and that it is then classed as a fake review and subsequently removed.
Why are the fake positive reviews not being deleted, trollng works both ways but the media will never report that.
When did it become the way that a movie and TV Show for that matter must be universally liked, what has happened to free speech and you having your own opinion.
Your right to free speech is being eroded away and your happy about it.
Sorry, no confusion here.
As I said. The section was used however the user decided to use it.
Thus "Reviews", "Criticisms", "Critiques", "Diatribes" and "Rants" were submitted along with a Not Interested vote.
We clear?
Your little bit about a Free Country is totally not relevant because RT is a private site and has their own set of rules that are covered in their "Agreement or Terms and Policies" that nobody reads when they sign up for an account. Did you realize that? No you didn't.
RT can delete your post and your submission if you violate the "Agreement". Did you know that? No you didn't.
Ignorance of the rules is no excuse.
RT never said someone was Sexist or a Misogynist.
No one's right to free speech is being eroded away.
A comment still isn't a review, reviews are not allowed before the movie is released under their own terms of use which you seem to be pointing towards. I actually read a lot of those comments, they could have actually written a review about the movie they obviously hadn't seen because it wasn't released but it still wouldn't be classed as a review.
But Ok, let's take your stance. Rotten Tomatoes is a private site owned partly by Warner Bros. so why protect and delete negative comments/reviews to protect an IP from a rival company, what does Rotten Tomatoes get out of that apart from less traffic.
How long before they decide to remove the audience score and you just get 100% shill reviews, website becomes absolutely pointless and as such get less traffic and eventually stops, again what do Rotten Tomatoes get out of this.
Imdb closed forums for the same reason, now Rotten Tomatoes, then the next site and the next site and the next site and so on and so on until all you have is fake positive reviews about everything.
A negative review is as important as a positive review.
Again why are the obvious fake positive reviews not being deleted, that still hasn't been answered by anyone. I'll tell you why becuase anything negative is deemed as trolling no matter if you have seen it or not. It is happening on here, the people who dislike the movie are incels, neckbeards, trolls, mothers basement all the usual crap which means nothing but people who praise it and are obviously fake are given a free pass, it's the sorry state of modern entertainment and will continue to get worse.
The comments section that you describe could be used to voice your opinion positive or negative, didn't matter until now, go check other films their are loads of negative comments but nothing was ever done until now. Why is that?
Also don't make generlised statements about someone you have never met. I have actualy read through the Terms of Use. When this began the vast portion of comments were just people saying basically the same thing. Don't like Bre Larson for her comments, the film looks dull or the most popular which was no thanks will wait for Endgame. Do you think that is review bombing, of course not.
Ooh and finally putting a question mark after a statement doesn't make it a question no matter how threatening you make it.
We clear!
Those were shut off and removed before the movie came out. The review score was at 36% with 50k reviews, then those disappeared, and were replaced with copypasta shill reviews to inflate the score back up. This has been well documented.
No amount of gaslighting changes this.
You're not allowed to review a movie before it's released.
shareSorry, Rottentomatoes could not Dis-allow anyone from using the comment section as a "Review" section for a movie prior to release. There was nothing that they did back then to enforce a No Review prior to release.
Thus "Reviews", "Criticisms", "Critiques", "Diatribes" and "Rants" were submitted along with a Not Interested vote.
Comprende compadre?
They deleted the fake reviews then let the public speak for themselves.
shareI think you just asked the million dollar question. What is a fake review?
share[–] AckbartheHutt (869) a few seconds agoBubba, you do realize that he didn't ask a question?
I think you just asked the million dollar question. What is a fake review?
It was a figure of speech billbrown, but anyways thanks for answering the question.
If only the fake reviews that are deleted are the Not Interested then I would have to say that RT is biased.
If only the reviews that are NOT deleted are the Interested then I would have to say that RT is biased.
[–] AckbartheHutt (872) 38 minutes agoWho is Billbrown, Bubba?
It was a figure of speech billbrown, but anyways thanks for answering the question.
Who is Billbrown? billbrown. c'mon bill you know its you cause only you would say things like this. Lets analyze a side by side comparison of writing styles shall we.
Previews just came in with CMs Thursday previews at 20 M+
"time to see what Queen predicted, Luckily Queen made a thread With his Predictions for the world to see and man are they......ummmmmm Classic Queen.
here is queen thread-https://moviechat.org/tt4154664/Captain-Marvel/5c3408bbe58dd36c94b0f249/This-aint-no-Wonder-Woman-box-office-wise
prediction 1-Queen guarantees CM is no Wonder Woman and Wont be able to match WW's Opening Weekend. we know queen is talking about Opening Weekend because Queen Specifically Notes "Remember the fervent excitement leading up to that smash?" clearly proving hes talking about Opening Weekend.
Prediction 2-Queen believe a best case Scenario for CM is 75 Million or as queen said " At this point, this may be looking at Ant-man level numbers. "
Prediction 3-Queen believe CM is looking at a 400 Million dollar World Wide Gross-queens exact words
Prediction 4-Queen believes it will be a difficult task for CM to top WWs OW(lol that difficult task is accomplished-CM heading toward a 140 to 160 M OW)
Prediction 5-Queen does not believe CM can match Aquaman's domestic Gross of 335 M(time for queen to be SHOCKED....CM is now guaranteed to make between 350 to 400 M+ domestically)
"If that is the case, then we are basically looking at a film with Wonder Woman's budget but will only gross half of what Wonder Woman did globally
^ this is very important because this statement makes it impossible for Queen to try and spin his Predictions.
queen Will no doubt in SHAME and Embarrassment try to claim He was Talking about World Wide Box office instead of Opening Weekends...
now that he knows CM is easily going to kill WW's and AM2s Opening Weekends and his thread and predictions FAILED..."
As you can see in exhibit A, do you notice the double spacing? Well I sure do.
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Thank you.
And if I was Billbrown I'd always use your for You're. No disrespect intended to the voluminous and verbose poster that is known as BillBrown. 😎
Plus I'm funnier.
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Hmmm, my Facetious-O-Meter must not be working. I might also be a Skrull, you didn't consider that now did you?
Oh well. I have no desire to masquerade as BillBrown or anybody for that matter.
I'm true to my alias, Norrin Rad of Zenn-La.
What does PresidentAckbar and Bubbathegut have to say on these matters? Aren't you the Three Amigos?
"In a way, all of us has an El Guapo to face. For some, shyness might be their El Guapo. For others, a lack of education might be their El Guapo. For us, El Guapo is a big, dangerous man who wants to kill us. But as sure as my name is Lucky Day, the people of Santa Poco can conquer their own personal El Guapo, who also happens to be *the actual* El Guapo"!share
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It is a quote from the movie The Three Amigos (Steve Martin, Martin Short & Chevy Chase) of which I am assuming, ahem assuming that PresidentAckbar, BubbatheGut and AckbartheHut are all the same person by the way.
Lucky Day is one of the Amigos and had that quote. Basically all three of those individuals troll these boards incessantly and often one replies to the other in almost rapid succession. Not always, but occasionally.
Oh, you're smart.
You decided to ask.
Smart people ask questions. Smart people know that there is always more that you don't know than you will ever know.
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One that has been posted by a bot, or has been posted by someone who has posted 100 others for the same film in an attempt to game the score.
It isn't as if Rotten Tomatoes simply deleted reviews at random. They identified those that were provably fake and removed them. Keep in mind Rotten Tomatoes has no stake in any of this, and they don't stand to gain if Captain Marvel does well. If anything, as they are owned by Warner Brothers, a direct competitor to Disney, they may be better served if Captain Marvel does poorly as it may give their own superhero franchise a competitive edge.
No, they were replaced with copypasta shill reviews. The images and posts on Twitter confirm this.
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