Or Kree and Skrulls were on Earth to the other Avengers , he and the SHIELD knew since 1995 , let alone Maria Rambeau and her daughter Monica also knew , it's beyond me how it never leaked , also what happened to Goose the Flerken ? Is it still on Earth in present day?
shareBecause the whole film is a retcon. Retroactively bigging up Captain Marvel at the expense of the MCU. This should have been done after Endgame, you want her to be the new face of the MCU then don't shit on the current faces, they have spent ten years leading to this event and now it will be settled by a charcater forced in at the last second.
This movie has been pushed back and back multiple times because it doesn't fit and wasn't needed.
This was supposed to come out in 2012, rumours to be belived Fiege was pressured to get it released, take of that what you will it is just a rumour. Just seems strange with the timing that's all.
These SJW types don't care what happens they just want their agenda being pushed.
From what i read CM was supposed to appear in the MCU earlier but they decided to save her for later movies , they replaced her with Scarlet Witch , in the post credit scene of CA Winter Soldier it was supposed to be her and not SW
shareBecause it's absolutely dumb AF that he wouldn't have ever mentioned it during the ENTIRE MCU MOVIE TIMELINE....
It's a feminist cash grab.
Of course, the simple answer is that this movie hadn't yet been made when those movies were made, but we have to admit that a superb job was done in terms of fitting everything in this film into the existing story.
In terms of your specific question-- does Fury ever say, or do, anything without a clear need to do so? He had a secret weapon to top all secret weapons, and something like must be played as closely to the vest as possible. He and Coulson have been penned as the ultimate secret agents since the get-go, and would both consider Captain Marvel to be the ultimate last resort.
i wondered this too. why didn’t fury call her in the first avengers movie? he let ny get destroyed when he had cm in his back pocket.
shareShe's a last resort, one-time-use, global extinction event Hail Mary pass. Fury saw that his Avengers had the situation in hand, and while there would be major destruction to Manhattan, the threat level never advanced past the "We Got This" mark on the dial. I guarantee if the Chitauri defeated the Avengers, he'd have been texting 'Vers 911 before Loki made it to the BQE.
shareWhile I prefer FilmBuff's answer (because the battle really did remain isolated to central Manhattan), Feige himself suggested that Fury perhaps DID page Danvers, and she either didn't reply or got back to him too late.
The mid-credits stinger made it clear that she'll return to the pager itself, that it takes a little while (at least a day) and that she can turn up discreetly (sneaking up on Romanoff no less)
For all we know, she appeared on the helicarrier and he told her thanks but we got this. The "Dark World" thing happened too quickly for him to be involved.
It only becomes a stretch during Ultron, when there was time enough and reason enough, at least while Ultron was carrying out "his evil plan." And it's true that Feige did indeed consider squeezing her into that film, and forced Whedon to shoot plates for her that were later filled in by Wanda. But again, the "world ending threat" aspect only occurred within a few hours at the end.
So ... yes it's a retcon, but it's a credible one IMHO
She said emergency only, not one time use. I think he'd have called in the first Avengers, but it's a huge universe to tie her too this late. They did the best they could.
sharewould winter soldier constitute an emergency? millions of people possibly being killed?
shareAgain, we don’t know he didn’t call her before
And we do know that she can arrive discreetly
This is the first time he’s called and disappeared
For all we know, she’ll mention prior visits in “Endgame” (though I doubt it)
We do know, based on press leaks, that she knows about the Avengers and has been protecting the other planets that have no Avengers of their own
Huge difference in winter soldier. Millions is stretch, because anyone not opposing Hydra would technically be safe. If you mean key people would be killed preemptively, your talking hundreds, maybe thousands. Also, Hydra operatives are secret, so how would she know who to fight besides Bucky, who isn't worthy of her efforts. Avengers and maybe AOU had the biggest impact potential.
shareHe tried messaging her but the Chitauri blocked the signal :)
Fury probably wouldn't want to bring her up until he knew for sure she could arrive. It would be counterproductive to tell the team she was coming just to have her be unable to.
In Avengers, Fury seemed pretty paranoid of aliens. When SHIELD found out Thor arrived in New Mexico, they went apeshit and started messing with the Tesseract and stockpiling weapons, which got Loki's attention (actually Thanos' but Fury probably didn't know that). I'm guessing around that time, he didn't want any more alien involvement than he already had.
In Age of Ultron, he was supposed to be dead but eh did have Coulson bring in the Theta Project and contacted War Machine so I guess he figured that was enough.
The same reason Darth Vader didn't recognize R2-D2 and C3PO in episodes 4-6, even though we find out in episodes 1-3 that he made them. The reason is because it wasn't planned from the beginning and they didn't realize the plot hole.
sharehe made C3PO in EP 1. I don't remember him making R2-D2.
shareNot to mention they already had a cryogenically stored Kree body and used its blood to save Coulson on Agents of Shield and he was hella surprised about aliens, apparently. Never heard of Kree or Skrulls or whathaveyou.
shareYes, we ALL know it's a retcon, that's not the point of this thread. Y'all are killjoys, like people who pop into every thread with "it's just a movie" as if we all don't KNOW that.
It's more fun to speculate about how it COULD have been true all along.
For example, we don't know how they got the Kree they used for the TAHITI project. He was almost certainly a Kree scientist working on terragenesis (hence his deathbed obsession with the Inhumans' city). So SHIELD has known about aliens for a long time. No problem there, since there've been no incidents (that we know of) until 1995.
After Captain Marvel leaves, there are no further incidents and no reason to expect any.
Then Thor and Loki have their "grudge match that leveled a small town," and SHIELD goes into overdrive developing weapons based on the one trump card they hold: the tesseract.
It all fits, without a whole lot of stretching. As for Fury not mentioning it, like Tony says, "his secrets have secrets."
As for Coulson, he was only surprised by the Kree corpse because his memory had been wiped. He probably never saw the skrull autopsy (Fury may have buried it out of respect for the dead). But even if he had, again, his memory was wiped.
One little detail I did like, however, was Ronan's vow to "return for the weapon." It called back that Agents of SHIELD episode where the Kree (Vin-Tak, I just looked it up) tried to protect Earth from his own people (by killing Daisy). This film confirms the Kree's ongoing observation of earth for possible human weapons, as well as the existence of "good guy" Kree like Mar-Vell and Vin-Tak.
I was also confused by Kree not being exclusively blue like their previous iterations everywhere in the media. It's just humans with blue blood and blue painted humans, nothing alien-y about their looks like that Kree body which was YUUUUGE. Just from that screen shot alone, Kree head was TWICE the size compared to Coulson. The fact the show itself ignored later on when introducing more Krees both present and the future.
shareWas the Kree body huge? I just watched the sequence on Netflix and he seemed bigger because he was in the foreground. Otherwise, not much bigger than Ronan
sharehttps://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/G.H.?file=Coulson_discovering_GH.png
Hope this helps
Yup but it's deceptive - the actual clip has a shot with Coulson in front of the Kree corpse. While it's big, it's not frost giant big (I recall thinking it was too small for a frost giant at the time - I didn't know about Kree back then)
shareApparently, this Kree was a scientist(?) obsessed with the Diviner (Terrigen crystals) and probably was one of the original overseers of the Inhumans project. His age predates the Pyramides and I bet dollars to donuts that he was killed by one of the unlucky Inhuman transformation.
shareWe see pink Kree in Agents of SHIELD. One of them fought Sif. Also, Guardians of the Galaxy had Korath who is a black Kree.
As for the size of that dead Kree, even going by Agents of SHIELD.
Some fun facts:
In a "Blink" and you'll miss it Marvel TV appears to have planted a Kree seed in a scene of AoS with during a 1945-ish flash-back of Agent Peggy Carter leading the Howling Commandos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyNUbAHyr9E Dum Dum Dugan is wondering what is in the crates and artifacts that had just been taken into possession of the SSR which is a pre-cursor to SHIELD. At the 2:13 mark Dum Dum lifts the crate partially open and you can see what appears to be a body packed in ice and a strong hint of blue.
No one ever looks inside at the scene but it might as well be the Alien corpse that is in the Guest House in TAHITI. It's hard to tell but the crate is body size or just about body size.
At one point SHIELD also had all of the Diviners which were of Kree origin but along with the corpse SHIELD would have not have known what a Kree was or how dangerous they were or how they even got to earth.
SHIELD was also in possession of the Monolith which was apparently a Kree invention that allowed them to move from planet to specific planet. Fury was in possession of the Monolith and knew about it but HYDRA didn't know about it.
The point of all of this? The SHIELD/HYDRA penchant for "Compartmentalization" allowed for HYDRA to go undetected for 70 years within SHIELD but also allowed for Fury and SHIELD to collect all manner of secrets some known and unknown to HYDRA and SHIELD. Fury's secrets had secrets as well as HYDRA's secrets had secrets.
Because Marvel is writing these things as they go, film by film.
There is no long term plan or storyline plotted out, like a comic.
It’s why there are things like the Infinity Gauntlet popping up in Odin’s weapons room in “Thor” and later being retconned as a “fake” in “Thor: Ragnarok”.
Ridiculous, they've openly stated major elements of their long term plan and carried it out
in fact you disprove your own claim (no long term plan) by referencing the earlier gauntlet (evidence of long term plan)
If it was part of a long term plan, it wouldn’t have been necessary to retcon it as a “fake” in another film, years later.
Unless you think Odin having a fake Infinity Gauntlet in storage makes sense....