I came back from seeing the movie a few hours ago. On a scale of 1-5, I'd give Streep's performance a "5" and the movie a "3."
Regarding Streep, it wasn't just the ability to sing badly -- hilariously -- which is probably not an easy feat, but also her bringing humanity and poignancy to her character.
I felt, though, that she was somewhat above the material.
What was it about the movie that fell somewhat short for me? I'm not sure. In a sense, it's a one-joke movie. Perhaps some flashbacks to Florence's earlier life would've given the movie a little more depth. But there was also something about the pacing -- it dragged a little bit for me at some points. Does anybody else agree?
In a sense, it's a one-joke movie. Perhaps some flashbacks to Florence's earlier life would've given the movie a little more depth. But there was also something about the pacing -- it dragged a little bit for me at some points. Does anybody else agree?
Odd you should mention that... I've been half-wanting to see this movie but the vibe of the trailer made me suspect it was exactly what you expressed here, so it's been keeping me away. So I'll take a leap of faith and say that I (think that) I agree with your assessment. :)
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Thanks. Yes, I'll definitely see it -- will probably wait until it makes its appearance on Netflix or Amazon but I am curious. My parents had that album and I remember them laughing at the songs with their friends; the album cover featured FFJ in a glamorous gown with (I believe) angel wings. It would be fun to see what Meryl does with her.
I kind of expected it to be a one joke movie, too, but just saw it. It had a humanity to it that I didn't expect. I thought that Hugh Grant would be his typical cad but I think that the love he really had for his wife was really touching and added another dimension to it.
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Florence Foster Jenkins made an interesting segment for CBS News Sunday Morning recently, but would you really want to endure nearly two hours of bad singing?
I would've preferred a more accurate story about her life. I did get the impression that they embellished a lot to create sentimentality so it felt a bit cliched to me. Her life was actually interesting and I would've preferred seeing that on the screen.
I would tend to agree - the problem is that screenwriters, producers, et al, seem to always think reality is just not good enough. Several aspects would have been at least as interesting if related factually, probably even more so. I won't go into details in order to avoid spoilers, but I definitely suggest folks do a little research AFTER seeing the movie to learn more about these people. Be sure to check out St. Clair Bayfield's story.
That being said, the movie was still enjoyable, and often moving. Kudos to Streep for managing to deliver accurate representations of the poor singing abilities this woman had. Singing badly on purpose can be quite difficult, especially while maintaining the same poor style throughout. This was a movie where most of the acting was very well done, particularly among the three actors that took up the most screen time.
I have no mixed feelings. I think this film was utterly awful. I multi-tasked and did a ga-zillion things while getting through this painfully uninteresting film. I already know Streep can't sing from Mamma Mia ... so I braced myself for the damage to my ear drums. But not only was it hard on the ears, the story was just utter schlock. A delusional rich woman who thinks she can sing and her husband who supports her at all costs. We're led to believe this is because he loves her. Might work for die hard Harlequin romance fans, they will drink this koolaid, but it sure doesn't work for me. I found this couple pitiable. And I believe the story of what really happened would have been infinitely more interesting. Including the real motivation of her husband ... we see very little of his own demons that drive him, other than his own failure as an actor. I'm sorry but nothing turns me off more than a dotty old broad who thinks she can sing. This film is proof that Streep has so long been considered the goddess of film in our era, she can participate in any project and it will get green lit and everyone will rave about it like the emperor with no clothes. 1/10 for me.
Unfortunately that seems to be a bit of theme to Streep's latest movies. Big Vehicles for her amazing talent, to be sure, but somehow lacking as movies.
This one definitely rates above Ricki and the Flash but not by much and there was room to do more with the character.
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No mixed feelings -- I loved the movie. Some of the funniest scenes had nothing to do with the singing -- such as a scene in which Florence stumbles upon a mess in her husband's apartment, which is hilarious; and all the scenes with Nina Arianda.
No mixed feelings - the film is dry, dull as paste and one-note.
As wonderful as the actors are (and they truly ARE wonderful), the film is repetitious, stale and boring. Yes, it's amusing to see Streep struggling to sing, but we see variations of this scene and forced comedy over and over. It's also poorly paced, and felt as if it ran forever, when it's actually a standard running time.
I certainly understand where the original poster is coming from. I viewed Florence Foster Jenkins twice—mainly just to check my original assessment. And both times, my analysis proved essentially the same: I found the film "decent." I enjoyed and appreciated Florence Foster Jenkins a little more the second time, and the movie possesses likeable aspects—it is the kind of film that one wants to like. Ultimately, however, Florence Foster Jenkins is not quite satisfying.
The film's main problem is tonal inconsistency or an inability to fully integrate tone and mood (depending upon one's perspective). Basically, the material lends itself to both comedy and tragedy, and the film (so to speak) cannot fully make up its mind as to which one it wants to be, nor does it smoothly, shrewdly, or satisfyingly blend the two on a consistent basis. The attempts are effective at times (the best, in my opinion, is the morning after the party, when Mrs. Jenkins pays an unexpected visit), and those attempts are not bad overall. But the discrepancies—larger here, slight there—give the film the feeling of being just a bit "off," almost as if one is viewing one movie layered on top of another.
At times, Florence Foster Jenkins aims to virtually be a screwball comedy, which is not an illogical choice given the nature of the material. This approach especially defines the film's opening act—maybe the first quarter or third of the movie, when we see Mrs. Jenkins develop her ambition to become an opera singer and then attempt to realize that goal through individual instruction and her first concert. But even there, given her illness, the film is also shooting for a tone, or a mood, that is touching, poignant, and perhaps sentimental. Comedy and tragedy can certainly be smoothly or organically blended, but the problem is that the comedy is too obvious or overt to complement the tragic undertones. Moreover, the constant jokes are only slightly, or lightly, amusing. (Granted, when I viewed Florence Foster Jenkins the second time, I did so in a small theater with a number of other people, and most of them seemed to find the jokes hilarious, laughing uproariously as if the movie constituted the funniest thing that they had ever seen. But on neither of my screenings did I find the comedy to represent anything more than slight amusement on average.)
In, say, the film's middle third, the movie slows down (a welcome development from the somewhat manic tone of the opening act) and thus finds a more natural blend of comedy and tragedy. The party scene and its morning aftermath are quite strong and effective in that regard, the aftermath in the apartment effectively striking notes of both comedy and tragic poignancy or vulnerability, without strain.
When the Carnegie Hall sequence begins, however, the tone of screwball comedy returns. There is nothing wrong with that tone, but the film does not feature it consistently, the tonal shifts are not smooth, and the screwball approach does not fully complement the underlying tragic tone or mood. (Mood may be the more accurate word choice.) Then, as Mrs. Jenkins shows her resiliency with help from an unexpected ally, the easier, more natural blend of comedy and tragic poignancy returns. But in the final act, involving the chase of the New York Post copies, the tone of screwball comedy reasserts itself. The sequence is not unfunny, but as with the opening third, the jokes are a bit too obvious or overt given the underlying tone or mood of frailty and fragility. In short, there is too much of a discrepancy. And the shifts in tone—while not jarring—are a bit strained, especially given the sentimental and earnest denouement.
Again, the historical material lends itself to both comedy—even the screwball variety—and tragedy, so blending or reckoning with the two was always going to constitute a challenge. Unfortunately, writer Nicholas Martin and director Stephen Frears do not quite meet the challenge. I thought that Frears did a much better job in this respect with the very good Philomena (2013), which managed to be low-key, humorous, and moving. There, Frears seemed to possess a shrewd, full-fledged, idiosyncratic perspective on the material. Here, Frears appears to be searching between competing banalities, albeit with an unusual and striking story.
All that said, there are still worthwhile elements in Florence Foster Jenkins, especially the leading performances by Meryl Streep and Hugh Grant, the jazz-and-classical score by Alexandre Desplat, and the cinematography, particularly during the concert scenes and the shots of the auditorium, the balcony, and so forth. Frears understands the power and beauty of a a still visual composition, especially from a distance.
Thus Florence Foster Jenkins is, at times, a nice film to look at and listen to, and the acting is enjoyable, especially from Streep and Grant. But from the perspective of tone and mood—the necessary unifying elements of any movie and the ones that a director is most responsible for—the film tries to be everything and thus ends up as nothing in particular, neither a dynamic comedy nor a powerfully resonant drama nor a savvy blend of the two. Rather, Florence Foster Jenkins plays more as a curious anecdote: at least the viewer departs having learned of this endearing, if puzzling, historical episode.
So what was it that you had to say about the film and the thread topic again? And what is your educational resume? What are your credentials as a writer, scholar, and film analyst? Who are you and why do you matter? The fact that you felt the need to attack me out of nowhere, rather than contribute to the subject at hand, says a lot about the nature of your life and your insecurities.
Your comments are clueless and moronic—I hardly read your post, but just a glance was enough to know that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are obviously an intellectually immature and incompetent person who deals with with his insecurity by jealously lashing out at those with superior abilities. Trust me, I could teach an incredibly dim, shallow lowlife such as yourself a lot about writing and film, but there is nothing that you could teach me.
Perhaps you will grow up one day. Until then, I advise that you stick to Twitter and other forums in line with your intellectual level.
And I have placed you on my "Ignore" list; goodbye.
So what was it that you had to say about the film and the thread topic again? And what is your educational resume? What are your credentials as a writer, scholar, and film analyst? Who are you and why do you matter? How old are you? The fact that you felt the need to attack me out of nowhere, rather than contribute to the subject at hand, says a lot about the nature of your life and your insecurities.
Your comments are clueless and moronic—I hardly read your post, but just a glance was enough to know that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are obviously an intellectually immature and incompetent person who deals with with his insecurity by jealously lashing out at those with superior abilities. Trust me, I could teach an incredibly dim, shallow lowlife such as yourself a lot about writing and film, but there is nothing that you could teach me.
Perhaps you will grow up one day. Until then, I advise that you stick to Twitter and other forums in line with your intellectual level.
And I have placed you on my "Ignore" list; goodbye.