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The nerd with the gun..

posted 9 years ago by SD_Revived
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I'm sorry, I mean "the assault rifle".

I know these characters are supposed to do stupid things so they get in trouble, but this was way overboard with the whole rifle retard-ness.
What moron owns an assault rifle and doesn't know how to use it?
Furthermore, given his inexperience, he happily swings it around hanging from his trigger finger, fully loaded and ready to fire. Which it did in the begin of the movie. Damn nearly killed his friend.

Then after the part where he shot that Henry guy in the woods and was asked to help him, he runs back to the cabin and never mentions any of it. He was able to forget the whole thing in a matter of hours.

It's also a stupid way to display a so called game-nerd. :-/

The original wasn't a masterpiece and this remake was completely unnecessary.

[–] Odie33 9 years ago

I know these characters are supposed to do stupid things so they get in trouble, but this was way overboard with the whole rifle retard-ness.

For me, the Call of Duty/Halo/Battlefield/other FPS player that feels he'd be as skilled and cool in real life was one of the few believable characters in the movie.

What moron owns an assault rifle and doesn't know how to use it?

LMAO  Most.

Oh! You mean knowledge to technically operate? If so, he seemed to be aware of the basic procedures to make the weapon fire. 

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[–] cdjunkee-1 9 years ago

I thought Bert's character was a lot more charismatic in the first film.

[–] silverr8c 8 years ago

An AK-47 like the one he had is rare and hard to come by, it also is so expensive I doubt he could afford it. I bought on a couple years ago and it cost me $25,000. Plus there are only approximately 30 states where they are legal

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[–] geogan 8 years ago

Ak47? The old Russian rifle? That looked like a US AR15 or the like to me..

[–] silverr8c 8 years ago

I had to re-watch it and it turns out that you were right it is an AR / M-16. But the fact still remains it is still expensive. I bought my M-16 8 years ago and it cost me over $18,000

The most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.

[–] geogan 8 years ago

I was thinking that. Looks nothing like the AK-47 with its long curved forward magazine.

Wasn't the M16 the "A-Team"s normal weapon in the TV show in the 80s or is there a way more modern M16 you are talking about? I mean the original M16 was a Vietnam designed weapon and they all hated it over there because it jammed all the time.

Didn't think the AR line of weapons had anything to do with the M16.

[–] silverr8c 8 years ago

The AR-15 and M-16 are basically the same gun. The AR-15 is the semi auto version of the fully automatic M-16. It is difficult to figure out what to call a fictitious gun that does not exist. In the movie the guy was holding what appeared to a AR-15 but through the magic of CGI the gun was spewing bullets in full auto mode. Usually full auto military weapons are designated as M-1, M-16, M-4 etc. The civilian semi auto version is basically the same gun but it can only fire one round each time the trigger is pulled. Basically I did not know what to call a gun that was an AR-15 but was full auto. Also the actor was holding a gun that had a picatinny rail which is fairly new. The NFA (National Firearms Act) banned the civilian ownership of any fully auto guns the were made after or were not registered prior to May 19, 1986. So what he was holding was a modern gun that was functioning the same way as the one banned after May 19, 1986.

Now as far as early problems with the M-16, Eugene Stoner designed the gun to be manufactured with chrome barrel, a specific type of powder. The bean counters in the Kennedy administration thought they knew better than the guy that designed the gun and decided they could save money by not adding a chrome finish that was part of the original design to the barrel and they also switched the type of propellants, they didn’t even issue cleaning kits to the troops.

If you want to learn more about how the power contributed to malfunctions check out this site.

http://www.thegunzone.com/556prop.html

By the way I paid $18,000 for my M-16 eight years ago. There is now a petition to repeal the NFA of 1986. If that happens my $18,000 M-16 will be worth $800 to $1,000
The most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.

[–] silverr8c 8 years ago

I also forgot to mention that the military version uses the5.56 round while the non-military version uses uses the .223 round. If you have a AR-15 be sure check the barrel to be sure you hare the correct ammo. Firing 5.56 ammo in a .223 barrel may cause damage, but using .223 ammo in a .5.56 barrel is Ok. The rounds look almost identical but the 5.56 is a high pressure round

PS I do not know why I called the AR an AK it must have been a brain fart.

The most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.

[–] geogan 8 years ago

Thanks for the info. Yeah there is NO way the NFA will be changed repealed I think. Unless trump does something. You better sell your m16 if they are going to be devalued that much. Did you have to pay that much because they are just hard to find or are they actually totally illegal to own now?

[–] silverr8c 8 years ago

I am a poor typist and type slowly and did not intend to type this much info so there may be some typos I missed so please excuse me for my poor typing skills.

I guess I did not explain things clearly. Full auto guns have always been legal and still are legal but there have been increasing restrictions. I am going to guess on some of the numbers and dates because I am a bit busy right now and do not have time to look them up, but if I am sure of the info I'll add this *** after the number or date.

When Mr Thompson invented his machine gun they were intended to be used by the troops in WW l but the war was ending before the government purchased or issued many the guns. So rather than go out of business they sold them to the general public. Back then you could walk into a hardware and pay somewhere around $30 to $40 and walk out with a Thompson sub machine gun (any machine gun the fires pistol cartridges such as the .45 ACP is a sub machine gun, Any machine gun that fires rifle cartridges is a machine gun). Eventually gangsters figured out that it would be a good idea to start using Tommy guns. One of the earliest uses of the Tommy gun by gangsters was the Saint Valentines massacre. There were probably less than 1/2 dozen hit men with Tommy guns but when law enforcement saw all the spent cartridges on the ground they thought there had to be a small army of assassins. As the Tommy gun became more and more popular with criminals law makers regulated machine gun with the NFA act of 1934***., at that point they went form no regulation to something similar to what we have now. Part of the act was to require purchasers to pay $200*** for a tax stamp. It was $200 back then and it has not changed, it is still $200*** today. $200*** was a lot of money back then, and although today $200*** is not exactly cheep but I remember reading that if they had to adjust the cost of a stamp for inflation it would be approximately $5,000.

Between 1934*** and 1986*** machine guns have been legal if you purchased a tax stamp and filled out a bunch of forms. But things changed with the NFA of 1986***. The 1986*** act had a cut off date of May 19 1986*** which only allowed people to own guns manufactured and registered prior to that date. Registered is a very important part of this. If you were to find a $35,000 Thompson in your attic that had not been registered you would have to turn it into the police to be disposed of or risk doing time in prison (I think it is ten years). Other than the change in the law regarding trusts that took effect July 13 2016 things have pretty much the same. This is were things are today. Machine guns are legal in about 30 to 35 states. If you live in a state where they are legal and want to own one you have to find someone willing to sell one. What makes them so expensive is then fact that there is a limited supply and any time there is a limited supply it becomes a sellers market. After you find someone willing to part with their gun you would have to pay their asking price (the going rate for a Thompson can be anywhere between $20,000 to over $70,000 depending on condition and manufacturer. After you pay for the gun it is transferred to an FFL that deals in class 3 guns. He holds the gun until you can legally own it. The buyer needs to provide passport photos, fingerprints, a letter from local law enforcement that says you are OK, and $200*** for a tax stamp. All that stuff goes to the BATF. After they give approval they send the tax stamp to the dealer holding your gun. When he gets the tax stamp he gives you the gun and the stamp. The dealer usually charges anywhere from$200*** to $800*** maybe more for his services. I waited over a year to get my Thompson, and I just paid $600*** for three tax stamps for three silencers on July 10 2016 and I ma still waiting for my stamps.

To sum it up machine guns are still legal to own as long as you live in a state where they are legal and the BATF does a background check and issues a stamp.

I am posting a link to the tax stamp for my AK-47

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/silvercorvette/DSC00174_zpsyzzdahjk.jpg

This is my full auto AK-47

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/silvercorvette/DSC00170_zpscalkyzjz.jpg

Full auto UZI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/silvercorvette/DSC00149_zpskrtbrad1.jpg

M-16

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/silvercorvette/DSC00778.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/silvercorvette/DSC00777.jpg

Thompson

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/silvercorvette/DSC00775.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/silvercorvette/3031195278_ca2c045d87.jpg

The most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.
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[–] silverr8c 8 years ago

I did a little research and discovered the Thompson sold for $200*** new

The most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.

[–] geogan 8 years ago

Cool. thanks for that info.

So you can't buy any machine gun made *after* 1986 at all then?

Are there many new more modern machine or sub-machine guns post 1986 then that people would like to buy, but are not allowed to, and only military can use?

Is that why everyone buys "assualt rifles" like the AR-15 then? Because they are legal to buy, even new ones?

I have seen a TV programme where someone can just walk into one of those gun-shows and buy some sort of a gun - like an assualt rifle - by just paying cash, and the sellers don't even care to get the persons name never mind their ID, background checks or anything else.

[–] silverr8c 8 years ago

The fact that the only full auto guns that are legal is the reason why they are ridiculously expensive. Unless the law is changed there will always be a fixed number of guns with a increasing number of people that want to own them the price which is already ridiculous will continue to rise.

I can think of a lot of guns I would love to own, the Glock 18 which is a full auto version of the glock 9 MM pistol, the FN PS90, the Calico 9 MM,

To tell the truth full auto is a quick way to wind up with an empty useless gun and after the first few rounds the gun will be hard to aim and the muzzle will rise. The most effective way to fire F/A is to tap the trigger and fire 2 to 3 round bursts. It may not be the best mode of firing a weapon but is a lot of fun at the range blowing stuff up

The term assault weapon is a term made up by law makers that do no know anything about guns. You can have two guns that are exactly the same but if you make cosmetic changes it suddenly becomes an assault weapon. By cosmetic changes I mean adding a pistol grip, barrel shroud, muzzle brake.

Check out this utube video for a good example of how clueless anti gun law makers are. In the clip the woman wants something banned but she does not know what it is. Law makers changed the definition of assault weapons and used the term to make guns seem more scary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

By the way in the video she mentions clips, The AR does not use a clip it uses a magazine, My M1 Garland uses a clip and so does my Smith and Wesson revolver. Clips and magazines are entirely different

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVQtF8yG4_A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdjjLBaiOs&t=191s

The term assault weapon is confusing, anti gun politicians use the term to scare people. The AR-15 is basically the same gun that the military and some police departments use but the civilian version fires one round for each time the trigger is pulled. The military version will keep firing as long as you hold your finger on the trigger. One thing that you see in movies that is pure bull poop is the scene where someone is in full auto mode fires bullets in all directions while he mows down multiple attackers. The truth is the fully automatic weapons have a magazine that holds 30 rounds and they fire 600 rounds per minute or more. If you do the math the magazine would be empty in 3 seconds.

The most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.

[–] silverr8c 8 years ago

I just re-listened to Carolyn McCarthy again. She made statement that they have to get rid of assault weapons (so called assault weapons) because gangs use them. The statement is factually incorrect, gangs use handguns.

The most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.

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[–] Tommy711 (161) 10 days ago

He was poorly cast. If you don't compare him to the original Bert, he's okay I suppose, but in comparison it's night and day different. The original Bert was far superior.