So is this a competition of historical land-grabs?
You're the one who brought up the subject of conquering the world. Now when it's pointed out to you that the Allies were far bigger imperialists than Hitler or Stalin, the argument is invalid?
Why are we comparing the history of century-old Empires which operated under a completely different code of morality hundreds of years ago, to a regime that lived for a few decades (or in the Nazi case, just barely over one) in the modern world?
What are you talking about? Those "hundreds of years ago" Empires existed before, during and after WWII. The only reason the US even entered the war is because it imperialistically laid claim to a bunch of islands that are closer to Tokyo than Washington DC.
Are millions of American prisoners starving and dying in terrible conditions due to complete disregard to basic health and safety? Wait, are we talking about otherwise innocent political prisoners and their families, as in USSR, or actual criminals?
The US prison system is notoriously one of the worst, most horrible, most barbaric in the world.
"In practice, U.S. imprisonment has become an institution of slavery, torture, and rape. New studies indicate that about two hundred thousand inmates fall victim to sexual abuse each year. The rates are highest in the juvenile system."
"The new studies confirm previous findings that most of those who commit sexual abuse in detention are corrections staff, not inmates."
"At any given time, about 80,000 American prisoners endure solitary confinement, a punishment developed in the early nineteenth century and banned by much of the world as a form of torture."
http://blog.independent.org/2013/10/08/americas-prisons-the-worst-national-disgrace/As for innocent political prisoners, I guess you have never heard of Guantanamo concentration camp, or other so-called "black sites" where the US tortures innocent people indefinitely.
We also know that numerous innocent people have been executed by the USA, it being one of only a handful of barbaric countries around the world that exercises the death penalty.
Good on you for throwing out the race card, perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that most ethnics are poor and illiterate - lack of education and money being the prime reason for crime?
You're the one who brought up ethnic minorities (in "slave labour camps"). Nice of you to out yourself as a racist though.
Complete lack of history knowledge, the USSR invaded Finland in 1939, invaded Poland that same year in co-operation with Hitler, invaded Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Romania in 1940.
They did not invade Romania in 1940, they took back Bessarabia, which was taken by force by Romania in 1918. And the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact only came about because France and Britain rejected Stalin's offer of an anti-Hitler pact, leaving Stalin no choice but to form a pact with Hitler to protect the Soviet Union.
Stalin was as much, even worse perhaps, as a bully as Hitler. He deported most of the native population too, in trains to work in camps, just because they had been born in a certain place at a certain time - reminds you of Hitler's treatment of Jews and gypsies, doesn't it?
Perhaps you should remind yourself what happened to the native population in, say, North America as a result of '
Manifest Destiny', which provided Hitler the inspiration for
Lebensraum.
http://www.dsq-sds.org/article/view/936/1111
Where on that page does it back up what you said? I did a CTRL+F on the words "van", "gas", "exhaust", "veteran" and found nothing.
As for the treatment of the disabled, why don't we talk about how the inspiration for Nazi eugenics and extermination programs came from the USA?
"The Harriman railroad fortune paid local charities, such as the New York Bureau of Industries and Immigration, to
seek out Jewish, Italian and other immigrants in New York and other crowded cities and subject them to deportation, trumped up confinement or forced sterilization."
"The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and even
funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz."
"The most commonly suggested method of eugenicide in America was a 'lethal chamber' or public
locally operated gas chambers."
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Thirty to forty percent annual death rates resulted at Lincoln. Some doctors practiced passive eugenicide one newborn infant at a time. Others doctors at mental institutions engaged in lethal neglect."
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Even the United States Supreme Court endorsed aspects of eugenics. [...] Years later, the Nazis at the Nuremberg trials quoted [Supreme Court Justice] Holmes's words in their own defense."
"In Mein Kampf
Hitler quoted American eugenic ideology and openly displayed a thorough knowledge of American eugenics."
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eugenicists across America welcomed Hitler's plans as the logical fulfillment of their own decades of research and effort."
Etc etc etc.
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
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edmund-91525
9 years ago
You're the one who brought up the subject of conquering the world.
Right, I did, in the context of World War 2.
How is Manifest Destiny, irrelevant in the World War 2 context, related to the discussion?
You're the one who brought up ethnic minorities (in "slave labour camps"). Nice of you to out yourself as a racist though.
Go back and see how you called the US jail system racist just because they had a disproportionate amount of ethnic minorities, without trying to understand why in the first place. Typical liberal.
Whatever, there's no point in talking to you cucks. Do the research for yourself. Poverty and lack of education leads to crime.
They did not invade Romania in 1940, they took back Bessarabia, which was taken by force by Romania in 1918. And the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact only came about because France and Britain rejected Stalin's offer of an anti-Hitler pact, leaving Stalin no choice but to form a pact with Hitler to protect the Soviet Union.
What do you define an 'invasion' as? So far it seems, an invasion only occurs if the US or its allies do it - everyone else is innocently 'taking territory back'.
(For your consideration, 'took back Bessarabia' is the same as 'invaded Bessarabia', considering Soviets put troops on foreign ground).
And are you actually suggesting forming a pact with Hitler, and then invading a sovereign state crushing any opposition, can be justified?
Where on that page does it back up what you said? I did a CTRL+F on the words "van", "gas", "exhaust", "veteran" and found nothing.
Look again. Just the term veteran comes up 70 or more times. Look in the post-World War 2 section, although I assume you have a little too much free time on your hands and will read through the whole thing.
Did said eugenicists ever have a say in US actions? Or are they just the occasional basket case that you're trying to present as the entire US government?
Because, surprise, there were Nazi supporters everywhere, not just Germany.
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xiberian
9 years ago
Right, I did, in the context of World War 2.
And during WWII the countries I named had colonies all over the world. As I said, the only reason the US even entered the war was because of its imperialism. I guess it's fine for Americans to take over countries all over the world, but not if the USSR invades a few countries on its own doorstep as a defence against the attacks and invasions it repeatedly suffered from.
How is Manifest Destiny, irrelevant in the World War 2 context, related to the discussion?
You made vague comparisons between the USSR and Nazi Germany. I compared the USA and Nazi Germany using specific things the Nazis actually copied from the USA.
Go back and see how you called the US jail system racist just because they had a disproportionate amount of ethnic minorities, without trying to understand why in the first place. Typical liberal.
If that's what you think, why did you even bring up the subject of incarcerated ethnic minorities?
What do you define an 'invasion' as? So far it seems, an invasion only occurs if the US or its allies do it - everyone else is innocently 'taking territory back'.
(For your consideration, 'took back Bessarabia' is the same as 'invaded Bessarabia', considering Soviets put troops on foreign ground).
If Canada took over New York by force and stationed troops there, and 20 years later the US told them to leave, and they left and the US took over New York, that would be a US invasion of New York, would it?
And are you actually suggesting forming a pact with Hitler, and then invading a sovereign state crushing any opposition, can be justified?
Every single square inch of the contiguous United States is invaded territory where all opposition was crushed. Can that be justified?
As for the Nazi-Soviet pact, treaties and alliances are formed all the time between countries, for example the US alliance with the USSR. What do you expect Stalin to do after being rejected by the British and French, start a war with Hitler alone?
Look again. Just the term veteran comes up 70 or more times. Look in the post-World War 2 section, although I assume you have a little too much free time on your hands and will read through the whole thing.
I should waste my time searching a 10,000 word article for something that doesn't even exist? Why don't you just quote the part that you think backs up your nonsensical claim that the USSR gassed people in special vans?
Did said eugenicists ever have a say in US actions? Or are they just the occasional basket case that you're trying to present as the entire US government?
What are you talking about, did they have a say on US actions? They were Americans carrying out "US actions": killing and sterilising people they deemed to be 'inferior'.
If you have any evidence that they were breaking the law by what they were doing, which was no secret, let's see it.
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