Thank you BBC...It was a really good effort...the cast..the place..everything looked great and i really believed it was time for the perfect adaptation...
The final moments had to be epic! And they were not epic. Vera decides to kill herself and seconds later she is begging for her life??? Bad written! You all keep saying that it is difficult to make a scene based on a letter but i dont agree...flashbacks can be used.. They should have shown the police investigating and not solving the puzzle... The intention of the killer was to make the unsolvable crime! We should feel this! We should see how and why he picked his victims..we should see why he killed them in that specific order...we should see more important things...you had 3 hours! You could have done it!
Another chance wasted! When you have the perfect material we demand for the perfect result...
Because she was convinced that something magical was happening and that there was no reason in fighting it... But seeing the doctor alive made her realize it was all man-made and so she could fight it!
Because she was convinced that something magical was happening and that there was no reason in fighting it... But seeing the doctor alive made her realize it was all man-made and so she could fight it! Re: Why can't you make a masterpiece?
Yes as far as I can remember from the book, she was in some kind of trance, manipulated into thinking this was meant to be (the noose already hanging there etc.). Then she sees the judge and snaps out of it, a moment I think they pulled off well tbh. In the adaptation, it was actually more jarring to me how she went from shooting Lombard (presumably to survive) to right after deciding to hang herself.
All this said, I agree with the OP, the ending was disappointing.
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When she decided to off herself she believed herself to be the last person alive on the island and that even if she survived until someone arrived from the mainland she'd actually look like the culprit. Her state of mind was obviously also fragile.
Them here comes the Judge; she's no longer alone, there is a chance she can get out of it alive and without blame. We've been shown that she's a manipulative, dishonest woman, so there's nothing unbelievable about this for me.
good point. however i wonder why she was not surprised to see the rope already set to hang herself like in the book. in the novel, she loses her mind WHEN she sees the rope and not before because she comes to the realization the killer was not who she thought it would be. quite an elegant ending tbh. as it stands you explained the ending very well, however i think we can all agree the book, like all the ones written by agatha christie, has such an ingenious plot and the ending so...perfect, it didn't translate well in this rendition sadly.
in the novel, she loses her mind WHEN she sees the rope and not before because she comes to the realization the killer was not who she thought it would be.
Aaah. Right, that's how it was. So she probably realized she killed Lombard for nothing, then. Wow, they missed so many important details from the novel, didn't they. I have to read it again, been too long.
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It made sense to me. Vera thinks she's alone on the island with no way out. Either she'll die slowly on the island or she'll be tried for murder and executed, and she decides to get it over with quickly. Not to mention, her decision-making skills aren't at their sharpest - she's exhausted, guilt-ridden and terrified. She's even hallucinating. Once she sees the judge, Vera sees a chance of survival. If she can convince him, she can get him to spare her.
There are also many reports of people who try to commit suicide regretting it and managing to save themselves or being glad they were rescued. People trying to hang themselves aren't usually in a stable frame of mind.
I really don't see how the explanation of the murders (done brilliantly by letter in the novel) would have worked on screen, but perhaps a little more explanation in Charles Dance's speech would have been good - more about the order of the victims perhaps, or how he found them (e.g. saying that he met Hugo).
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I agree with most of what you stated about Vera's state of mind and decisions.
The ending as written in the book was always going to be the hardest section to adapt - the perfect murders and no suspect and then the letter as well will have been hard to pull off visually and keep it interesting. I've read plenty of comments that the adaptation was too slow or pulled down by the flashbacks that some have deemed unnecessary. All of the information regarding the Judge's choosing his victims, the order and motivation of the crimes and the victim's backgrounds is material works very well in a book but how do you tell/show that in a primarily visual medium without resorting to voice overs or flashbacks? There will never be a perfect translation from book to stage or screen and you can't please everyone but I thought this adaptation came very close. It was well produced and performed. I did think Vera's hanging was a little drawn out but Charles Dance as Judge Wargrave was diabolically evil, which made up for the less than perfect end.
After Lombard's death, we see that Vera's mental state is clearly diminished. She hangs herself without hesitation. The camera backs out from her dead body.
The audience thinks, "So wait what? Was Vera the killer? How and why?" Everyone is puzzled.
The police investigation could be skipped, doesn't matter.
Then we see the sailor who brought them to the island, pick up a bottle from the sea. In it is a note.
With his epic voice, Charles Dance starts narrating the letter. While he's talking, we see flashbacks and short clips of how he pulled it off. We get answers to big questions regarding their deaths.
Also we get an answer to a massive question. How did a renowned doctor announce the judge as dead? Didn't he check his pulse? Or the wound? This is explained in the book, since they're working together.
In the final scene, we see the judge committing suicide exactly the way it was on the show. And the narrations final words are, "Signed, Lawrence Wargrave"
With respect, fatihokan, I don't see that your version would have been any better than what we got.
I know Ms Christie likes to detail all her crimes; obviously that works well in her books, and she's also permitted (imo) to be a bit proud of her story mechanics and be a bit show-offy about them, not least because she's so darned clever. But in this TV version, we didn't really need to know all the details; we got enough from the flashbacks of each character to know that the people involved were guilty, and when we knew it was the Judge it was enough to know that all he needed was access to individuals in a large and largely-empty house -- especially once they thought he was dead and wouldn't be looking out for him.
I honestly think your suggestions of the letter being the coda has some serious drawbacks -- partly in that it's really not necessary information in a TV version and mostly in that it would be just too slow-moving. It would be an intriguing tease for a moment for us to see that there really was none left alive on the island, but the story needs a quicker wrap-up once it's that close to the end titles.
For me, the ending we got works fine, except for two things:
1) I could understand Vera changing her mind and not wanting to die, especially once she sees the judge and a) sees the possibility of not being blamed for the murders, since there's someone other than her left on the island after all and b) not wanting to die as part of the Judge's scheming. But that should have been made clearer, so we could understand why she's now keen *not* to die and can hate the Judge when he kicks the chair away.
2) The Judge covers the fact that Armstrong colluded with him in a throw-away line about Armstrong wanting an alliance "for some reason", but frankly for a key plot point that's not good enough. Armstrong colluding with him was the key moment that made the deception possible, so we need a better justification for Armstrong's actions than "for some reason".
So perhaps my assessment won't accord with most people's view, I can't tell, but I think it's almost a good screen version of the book's ending.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
I would agree with this. Even if we included the letter, you'd need to do drastic cuts. I think the in-depth stuff is brilliant for Christie's book, and it shows off how much thought she put INTO everything, but it's not really designed to transfer over to a TV series nearly as well. Do we need to watch Wargrave hear the stories ten different times AND invite ten different people?
Don't get me wrong, I like it in the books, but TV/Film are a different medium, and they don't have that same luxury of time to spend on detail that books do.
2) The Judge covers the fact that Armstrong colluded with him in a throw-away line about Armstrong wanting an alliance "for some reason", but frankly for a key plot point that's not good enough. Armstrong colluding with him was the key moment that made the deception possible, so we need a better justification for Armstrong's actions than "for some reason".
The reason for the alliance was already told with more depth in the earlier episodes so it was properly justified and didn't need more underlining on the final scenes. Also it reflects that the Judge wasn't really interested why Armstrong wanted the alliance but just grasped the situation.
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Overall I liked this adaptation. I loved the way they were able to capture the dreary mood of the island; you really got a sense of the impending doom surrounding the place. The actors performances were good. That's the one thing in the russian version that was lacking (although it was the most accurate plot wise) - the characters there seemed curiously flat and the actors playing Blore and Lombard looked alike to the point I couldn't tell them apart -_- Whereas with this adaptation there was no way you'd mistake one for the other, as each character was distinct and the actors playing them gave convincing performances.
I agree with you on the ending- that was one of the flaws and I felt it would have been better if they didn't have Vera beg for her life. I liked it when the judge kicked the chair though, that was a great dramatic moment, but I'm thinking it would look better if they kept the scene with the police and the bottle in the end maybe there would be a way to still add the cut where the judge gets into the room to watch her hang.
I've seen a lot of Christie adaptations and several (even in the Poirot series) tend to change the plot so much you hardly even have the same story anymore. I've even seen some where they changed who the killer was and that's a big no for me. So I guess I was pleasantly surprised that this one was mostly accurate save for a few things. I'd much rather they remove certain scenes (Vera and that Henry getting it on in the beach there was really no need for that) and it's been awhile since I read the book but I don't remember there being anything at all going on between Vera and Philip....but at least it wasn't that stupid HEA like it had in the game and all.
The final moments had to be epic! And they were not epic. Vera decides to kill herself and seconds later she is begging for her life??? Bad written!
To be fair, the circumstances completely changed. Beyond the fact she'd had a psychological breakdown in just about every way, to the point she was actually hallucinating, seeing Wargrave snapped her back to reality and that, hey, she can fight this.
Also, it gave her some new hope. She had a way out; if she convinces him to spare her, then she can still get off the island alive and not be found guilty (she even suggests blaming Lombard). Before then, Vera thought it was her and nine dead bodies. Pretty hard to get out of that situation alive
The intention of the killer was to make the unsolvable crime! We should feel this! We should see how and why he picked his victims...we should see why he killed them in that specific order...we should see more important things...you had 3 hours! You could have done it!
Overall I thought this was a very good adaption of the novel, but I too was disappointed that Wargrave didn't clearly state his motive and his true intention.
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