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The question answers itself, doesn't it?
shareStop peddling the fictions of the #MeToo harpies. You're making a goddamned fool out of yourself. If I were Ansel's attorney, I would sue the fuck out of you for defamation.
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You didn't make a true remark in your statement and quoted from a trash tabloid. The accusation came from ONE unstable girl who was digging for dollars. Take the #MeToo horseshit on the road as the rest of us view it as an antidemocratic witchhunt that has always been about revenge and settling scores rather than anything that actually helps women.
shareSO...RAPE IS OT REAL?
shareI won that argument.
shareI didn't get overly deep because it didn't seem overly deep.
I apologize if I am wrong...
A literal Twitter accusation.
19 vs 16
Dangerous combination of ages for both. BUT this is VERY common.
I don't really have to say that do I???? LOL.
If she actually makes a police report,,,,
THEN....
Now, it's nothing.
I've posted this on another thread, but it bears repeating here:
One must bear in mind that all too often, rape victims are reluctant to go to the police and report being victims of a rape, much less prosecute, due to the insensitive and nasty treatment that rape victims all too often receive at the hands of the police, and the courts.
Moreover, 70-90% of the time, the rapist and his victim know each other in some way or other (i. e. friends, co-workers, etc.), which also contributes in a big way to the fact that rape victims often have such a tough time obtaining emotional, legal and/or moral support for what they've gone through.
I know people who've been the victims of rape, so I can say what I've said above.
I hate to say this outright, but Ansel Elgort sounds like a dangerous, disgusting and gross human being. Not only did he act dangerously creepy, but he has a rather creepy look to him, as well. As a woman, I believe that Gabby was telling the truth. Gabby was just an adolescent and minor, and Ansel Elgort, at 20, was already an adult.
Having said all of the above, not only do I agree that Ansel should be arrested, tried, and found guilty of sexually assaulting and even grooming under-aged girls, and to serve some time in jail, but this whole thing has stiffened my resolve to vote my pocketbook and not go to see the remake of the film version of West Side Story when it comes out in the movie theatres.
Batshit crazy #MeToo harpy with only your hunches to rely on because you know you have no proof.
shareHa ha ha! YOU'RE the one who's bat-shit crazy, Metatron1970! Go and f**k yourself, and stay out of my face. Thanks.
shareThe proof is in the pudding, Woman. Who else but a crazy person would make a statement like this: "Not only did he act dangerously creepy, but he has a rather creepy look to him, as well." Sorry, we don't lock people in jail because they "look creepy." The inconvenience to the #MeToo movement has been due process. #MeToo would rather an allegation be enough to put away someone accused of sexual impropriety. The #MeToo "movement" seeks to destroy careers and lives without even verifying if the allegations are true. In time the #MeToo "movement" will be seen for the fraud it always has been despite highfalutin' talk about helping women. That non-movement has never helped one single working class woman but only satisfies the desire for revenge in a privileged layer of upper middle class women.
shareWow! I admire my comments even now that lampoon the ridiculous #Metoo "movement"!
shareI'm a woman as well, and not knowing the whole situation, I can't say for sure. When I was 17 I had a boyfriend who was 21. Everything was consensual, and where I live it's legal. So I don't think that the age difference is the issue for me. I also have questions. From what I read, and this could be incorrect media, she never said no. One thing women need to learn is that men aren't mind readers and they don't pick up on our body language. If we are uncomfortable and don't want it, we need to say so. If she did in fact say no, then I change everything that I've said.
It could be argued that he groomed her, but I also remember being a teenage girl and having crushes on celebrities. I've seen teenage girls throw themselves at these men. If I had had one who respond to me, I don't know what I would have done, and would that be his fault?
That being said, if she did say no, that's a totally different situation. If he forced her to do something, different situation. What were her messages to him? Unless she presses charges and until we get the whole story, I'm not going to condemn him. I'm also not saying that he isn't guilty. He very well may be. We don't have the whole story.
I will also add that even if one more woman/girl comes forward with a similar story, that will change my opinion.
Another woman agrees completely with you. Crushes and attention seeking are also dangerous creepy behaviors, just as intimidation and groping are.
shareShe is not a child! The age of consent in 2/3 of the states is 17 or less. It's about 16 in most of the western world. [Wikipedia]
shareSorry, but I disagree with you here,. Satan2016. 17 nay not be a child, but they're not yet an adult, either. The age of 17 is still a minor, and Ansel Elgort, who was 20 at the time, was already an adult. He clearly took full advantage of an underaged girl, and he deserves to suffer some kind of consequences as a result. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the guy.
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Sorry, but I disagree with you here,. Satan2016. 17 nay not be a child, but they're not yet an adult, either. The age of 17 is still a minor, and Ansel Elgort, who was 20 at the time, was already an adult. He clearly took full advantage of an underaged girl, and he deserves to suffer some kind of consequences as a result. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the guy.
You wouldn't care if it we were talking about a 20-year-old actress with a 17-year-old actor.
17 is legal. Stamp your feet all you want, but the producers aren't going to cancel Ansel for sleeping with a starfucker. Get over it already. share
You can stamp YOUR feet for all you damned well please, but 17 years old is still an adolescent and a minor. Why don't you Ansel Elgort supporters get the hell over it already and face the fact that Ansel Elgort's victim(s) have been adolescents, and therefore underage, and minors?
shareThe idea that 17 year olds aren't old enough to sleep with 20 year olds is ludicrous out of date prudery.
shareNo matter what the ages are between 2 people, sexual assault is still disgracefully unacceptable.
shareIf this woman, at the age of 17, was sexually assaulted as she claims, why didn't she report this to the police? Sorry, I just do not buy her story, especially that she made the accusations years later. Something just does not add up.
shareThe fact is that rape victims are mostly very reluctant to go to the police, as well as prosecuting their rapists outright, due to the insensitive treatment that rape victims all too often receive at the hands of the police and other law enforcement people, and the courts.
shareI still wonder why Gabby deleted her posts on Twitter that accused Algort of sexual assault. What is up with that? Something just does not seem "Kosher".
Gabby made the accusations on social media six years AFTER the alleged sexual assault. Why not go to the police at that point? She is a grown woman now and she needs to pursue what she started. If she does not, I do not believe a word she had to say on her Twitter account about the assault. Sounds more to me like she is a woman scorned if she doesn't report this to the police.
As I pointed out on another post, rape victims all too often are extremely reluctant to go to the police, due to the insensitive treatment that they all too often receive at the hands of cops, and are often reluctant to prosecute their rapist due to the insensitive treatment that they receive through the courts, as well, plus 70-90 percent of the time, the rapist(s) are known to their victims in some way or other.
Those above-mentioned things make it extremely tough for a rape victim to search for and obtain emotional, moral and legal support. Nonetheless, having known afew people who've been sexually assaulted, I'm more inclined to believe the "she" side of Ansel Elgort's story here.
I stand by what I said about 17 years old being still a minor and an adolescent. 20 is an adult, and not a minor.
shareIn most places 20 and 17 isn’t per se illegal.
shareCome on now! You're totally missing the point. Gabby, the girl who accused Ansel Elgoft of sexually assaulting her, was still a minor at the time, and Ansel Elgort was already an adult, at the age of 20. Sexual assault is sexual assault, no matter how legal an age , is totally unacceptable. Over and out.
shareI didn’t read the article to see what the exact allegations were….but some of these comments act like the age difference itself is a problem…and I’m pointing out that sex between a 17 year old and a 20 year old is legal in most places.
shareI don't care what you think Ldlamb! Rape is rape, regardless of the age of the rapist, and the rapee (i, e.l the rape victim). Seventeen is still underage, no matter what you and other people may think, and Im inclined to believe that Gabby, the woman who accused Ansel Elgort of raping her, was telling the truth.
shareHe said, she said. You know how that goes, especially that she waited years to make these accusations on social media. Who does that????
shareWhy did this woman wait years to make these allegations? Something just does not add up. This woman, as a young 17 year old girl, did not go to the police. Why??? This woman posts on social media her allegations against Ansel many years after the fact? IMHO, this woman can not be taken seriously. I wonder what her angle is. And.......she has deleted her allegation posts on social media. Still waiting for this woman to make her accusations to the police. Waiting, waiting. waiting, waiting.........still waiting.
Ansel did state that he had a consensual relationship with this woman when he was 20 and she was 17. In the state of NY, 17 is the age of consent so there was nothing illegal about their relationship.
I see nothing "creepy" about Ansel and I'm a 72 year old woman. I actually think he is sexy as hell and was the perfect actor to play Tony in this epic film. His singing voice was so glorious, the moment he opened his mouth to sing "Something's Coming", is when I started to cry and honestly never did stop crying during pretty much the entire movie.
I stand by everything I've said here, and my opinions, luvthepros. I'm also a woman in her early 70's, and I still prefer the original 1961 film version of West Side Story over Spielberg's reboot/remake of it. I never thought that it made sense to reboot/remake a film that was not only already a great golden oldie-but-keeper of a classic movie-musical, but won ten well-deserved and well-earned Academy Awards, including Best Picture when it came out into the movie theatres in October of 1961.
I didn't think that Ansel Elgort's singing voice was so glorious and great, and neither was Rachel Zegler's, for that matter. I don't think that Ansel Elgort has the looks, charm, charisma, or personality of an ex-gang member, either. I prefer Richard Beymer over Ansel Elgort.
I've seen the 1961 WSS film countless times and have loved it all these years. I could not imagine why this movie would ever be a candidate for a new adaptation of the 1957 Broadway musical. The 1961 film could not possibly be topped, ever. I was actually upset to hear this classic movie was going to have a new adaptation. I didn't even care that it was the master Spielberg. The 1961 film should always stand as the film version of this awesome work.
I found out that many of the ensemble actors/dancers had competed on So You Think You Can Dance, including my favorite contestant of the entire series (Jess LoProtto). I just had to see Spielberg's adaptation just to see these dancers that I was so familiar with. That was my only reason to see this new film.
I was totally taken aback during the opening sequence. Oh my goodness!!! This movie was breathtaking from the start and got better with every passing minute. What I was observing on that screen was absolute bliss. I LOVED Ansel more than I can say. It was his singing that got me started with the water works and it just did not stop for the rest of the movie. I've seen this film twice already and want to go back for more. It needs to be seen on a big theater screen. I was so wrong in doubting that this film could ever top the 1961 original. It did.
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No, I'm not a studio plant; just a senior who was so caught off guard that Spielberg would produce a much superior film to the 1961 film of the 1957 stage adaptation. Believe me, there are many positive comments on WSS YouTube videos. I sincerely doubt they are studio plants but just fans of this fantastic new film who are making the comments. So many people claim they have seen Spielberg's film more than once and want to see it yet again while it is still playing in theaters on the big screen. This film is a must see on the big screen as it is an experience that I will always cherish.
shareName calling now? 'Studio Plant'? Very immature. Back to the topic: I'm of the exact same mind as you. I loved the original film but this one was actually even better. Beautiful lighting, the costumes, the scenes of the development of Lincoln Center... I was smitten and I'll go again. My husband remarked that Ansel looked like a very young Marlon Brando and I can see that ... What a cast. And how fun that no one was already familiar except Rita Moreno. Getting to know each character as the film unfolded, without preconceived visions of the actors, was great. I was particularly taken with Riff's acting. I loved him. At first I thought he was all wrong. But he's such a great actor, he sold me on the character completely - hungry, passionate & angry angry angry. The dancing was so exciting. It was electric and truly a work of lasting art. I predict this movie may be a sleeper but it's going to burn for a long time.
shareYour comment about the dancing being "electric" is so on point. I love the original 1961 film and the dancing but......this Spielberg film's dancing is so much more exciting. 1961 film's choreography was much more balletic where this version is more Latin contemporary which I absolutely love even more. The fact that the dancers in Spielberg's film are so well trained and most are Broadway performers. I would imagine Robert Wise's film also had Broadway performers so the dance talent is pretty much equal in that respect.
Having said that......Rita Moreno, in an interview, stated that Ariana DuBose is a much better dancer than she ever could be. It was very valiant of her to say that. Rita Moreno claimed that she had never danced Jazz before and that is pretty much what her choreography was in the 1961 film. She could have fooled me though because Rita looked amazing in her dance sequences.
I'm sorry, luvthepros, but I'm not convinced, and I will not be going to see the new film version of West Side Story, at all. Imho, I don't think the new WSS did top the old, original 1961 film version of West Side Story,. To me, the old, original 1961 film version is the one and only West Side Story film version. If you have a problem with that, I'm sorry. I've always had a gut reaction against remakes of older classic films, especially something like West Side Story, and I still do.
I didn't think Ansel's singing voice was that great, nor do I think he's that great-looking either. Zegler's voice was too far back and too nasal. I see nothing that beautiful about her, either.
Well whether he raped the girl or not makes no difference in why he was cast in the film. The film was cast and shot almost an entire year before the allegation came out. Was Disney supposed to go have a psychic determine which actor would have something bad pop up between the time they filmed the movie and it was released? You'll not the article you linked to was from June of 2020... Filming of West Side Story was completed in September of 2019... So why don't you tell everyone how Disney was supposed to know about the future?
shareThis stuff that ultimately came out about Ansel Elgort has stiffened ny resolve to vote my pocketbook and not go to see Spielberg's reboot/remake of the film version of West Side Story, at all when it comes to the movie theatres on December 10th
shareJust fuggtaboutit and enjoy the movie
shareSpielberg's film version of West Side Story is a pass for me, and the stuff about Ansel Elgort has stiffened my resolve to vote my pocketbook and not to to see it. I've always had a gut reaction against remakes/reboots of great older classic movies, especially something like the old, original 1961 film version of West Side Story. Moreover, I don't give a damn who's at the helm, either.
sharePlease stop using the sentence "Ansel Elgort has stiffened my resolve to vote my pocketbook." Why do you use "Ansel Elgort" and "stiffened" in the same sentence? Do you secretly wish he were your lover? You talk about him constantly.
shareOh, come off of it, Metatron1970! I wouldn't take a guy like that as my lover if someone was paying me to do so. Also, I can say what I damned well please--and I will.
shareI'm not the least bit interested in seeing Spielberg's reboot/remake of the film version of West Side Story. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, bozo_500!
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