Naive and pathetic, marrying the bad boys expecting them to turn straight then feeling sorry for themselves when they don't and turn out to be Mr White Knight, but instead huge selfish a-holes. These types of women are pathetic and why do the guys marry these women? Is it so they can pretend they have a conscience? I don't even know. But yeah, her own fault, I don't feel any sympathy for you women and I hate how it's directed that way.
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The irony of your post is astounding, you seem to have the mental issues if you're telling people to kill themselves. That's pretty sick and disgusting.
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I didn't feel it was directed that way - I didn't feel sorry for her. It was pretty stupid of her to kill herself. And she must have had other mental problems as well. The mother blames Reggie but she probably had more to do with it honestly.
In reality it's possible I guess that she either couldn't get out of the relationship, was repeatedly raped and beaten by Reggie or even killed by Reggie and made to look like a suicide.
This is a good little article about Francis Shae Kray where her niece talks about how really was before she died. Apparently there is also speculation of foul play regarding her death.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/reggie-krays-wife-drug-taking-6404411
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Then why doesn't she just marry a normal bloke?
Girls like that dig the bad boys then feel sorry for themselves when they're a-holes. It's psychotic, stupid and pathetic.
It's like marrying a hooker and expecting her to be a nun, seriously.
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I agree with you.
I watched it yesterday for the second time and said to my wife that I thought Frances was wrong not to just join in with the fun and luxuries of Reggie's lifestyle.
that is who she chose to marry.
My cat can eat a whole watermelon!
She fell for him.When she changed what could she have done?I mean- what bloke would have dared go out with her?
shareI don't think you understand anything about domestic abuse. They control and make the victim lose all confidence so they feel worthless.
Imagine feeling worthless at a time when women didn't even have the right to equal pay for the same job.
Lots of people liked the Krays because they only harmed other gangsters but were good to everyday people, so not everybody thought of them as bad.
You sound as if you have problems with women to blame it all on them and not their partner.
You have summed it up perfectly. Many people will say to victims why don't you just walk out , it's not that easy for them. If they have put up with it for a while it becomes the norm and they gradually feel worse. I used to work for a women's organisation and some of the stories I heard made my toes curl
shareThe gaslighting argument is disingenuous and misses the point.
Why was she attracted... in the first place?
Here's Mathew Newton (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Newton). He was charged with assault after beating actress Brooke Satchwell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Satchwell). This behaviour was widely reported.
Then came along Gracie Otto (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracie_Otto) apparently she was undeterred by his violent tendencies and wanted some of his good lovin'.
Then comes Rachael Taylor (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachael_Taylor). She decided she also wanted some of this sweet bad boy action. Alas, he beat the crap out of her in Rome and she had to take out an apprehended violence order against him.
His current girlfriend probably wasn't put off by those events either. I suspect there are line of hotties waiting their turn.
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Frances (it's with an 'e' not an 'i') was 17 when she met Reggie, she was still a child really. Most girls that age would probably be swept up in the glamour, given her working class background. Their relationship would have been way more complex than what was in the script - we have no idea if any of these conversations even took place. Leaving Reggie right after marrying him must have taken strength and apparently she dated someone else for a time, but she knew she'd never be free of him. It's also never been proven if the overdose was a suicide or accidental. I don't imagine Frances expected anyone to feel sorry for her, this is merely an interpretation of her life with Reggie and one her family has spoken out about it because she is portrayed as such a victim. It's clear she had issues before Reggie came on the scene, and it's possible she might have had a mental illness. She fell in love with someone she shouldn't have at an impressionable age, given that she did leave him eventually shows her strength of spirit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2989569/How-arts-loving-schoolgirl-beautiful-mistaken-Brigitte-Bardot-ended-life-tragic-Mrs-Reggie-Kray.html
It's too cerebral! We're trying to make a movie here, not a film!
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Reggie raped Frank? I didn't read about that. I did read that a lot of people who knew them didn't think Reggie raped Frances, nor that Violet was mean to her, and they believe the film portrayed that inaccurately.
My Dad met the Krays once, back in the day. He's a mason and one of his fellow masons knew them quite well apparently.
It's too cerebral! We're trying to make a movie here, not a film!
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Lol! It wouldn't be the first time he'd told the odd porkie pie but he was kicking round London back in the day in the Masonic crowd so think this one was true. We've got some ancestral Peaky Blinder connections too if half the oldies in the family are to be believed... definitely a lot of ducking and diving going on pre/post War(s) on that side of the family in the Midlands area regardless. Mother's side of the family are pure as the driven. It highlights, though, how a memory of someone or an event can vary so much depending on who you talk to. My folks are in their '80's now, and can remember 50 years ago better than they can remember yesterday and it's cool to see my Dad's face light up as he talks about the past, all the stuff he got up to in the army. The only way I can relate to it is to watch period movies. I walked through Soho tonight up through Leicester Square into Chinatown and Soho and realised I've been kicking around London since 1989 and even in that time how much it's changed, how attitudes have changed. It's a crazy city with a beautiful history. Try to buy a flat now in Bethnal Green though and you better have a few hundred K in your pocket! £300k for a studio flat on Hackney Road. Ridiculous.
It's too cerebral! We're trying to make a movie here, not a film!
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