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hold the hell up

posted 8 years ago by omari2cute
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so i was watching the show last night and i was happy that jane finally got to lose her virginity to her husband...but im a little mad....i dont know why it hit me last night ( even though ive been watching since season one) but jane makes no since sometimes...when she was feeling bad about faking the orgasm with michael, he asked if she faked it any other time...im thinking god fearing, religious, holier than thou jane was doing other sex things (before she got married) but sex...but always feels so guilty about everything else...you telling me that she didnt feel guilty at all that she was having oral sex...michael was probably putting his fingers in a certain areas and all that was ok in the eyes of the lord? She might as well just had sex she was already walking on the line lol....It was like she was trying to find a loop hole...like, is ok that we do everything but put your d**k in my va***a....i bet you she told herself everytime michael went down on her that its perfectly ok with god because he didnt penetrate me lol

[–] Navaeh 8 years ago

Completely thought the same thing. She should have been a pure virgin or not. Doing everything but p in v does not count. Totally ruined a lot of her character with that one scene.

Cause I can't post without a body

[–] Eva_Marrie 8 years ago

I think that it just shows the psychological damage Alba inflicted on her by messing with her head with that damn flower. I think it would be apt to call Alba a 'female chauvinist pig'. It is realistic - some Catholic girls really do interpret virginity as strictly technical. It also makes sense why Jane was so comfortable with erotic letters/texts and skinny-dipping.

On the other hand, I feel like the show cheated:

When we saw Jane and Michael heavily petting with clothes on before, they jumped away from each other as if they never went any further.

When she dropped the virginity bomb on Raf, she didn't say:"Hey, but I'm cool with everything except PIV".

Same with the professor - there was never a suggestion to do other things once he freaked out about the virginity.

And what about:" This was the best feeling in the world to a woman who's never had sex"? If she's had an orgasm with another person - she knows a thing or 2 about highs.

It just lowered the stakes for all of her virgin plot points retroactively.

[–] KimKimmyKimmer 8 years ago

Agreed! In fact I came here to post that exact thing. I'm not a person who believes you should wait until you are married but the fact that Jane was so "virgin like" had me totally shocked when they revealed they had been doing other stuff. Pretty stupid and out of character in my opinion.

[–] waterbutter1999 8 years ago

Yeah, the price they paid just to have that oral sex scene was too high. They should have rethought that plot point.

[–] kathysantoniforthewin 8 years ago

Seriously! I HATED that. The hardest part about waiting to have sex is NOT having an orgasm, so if she was orgasming by doing everything but technically having intercourse, where was the huge sacrifice? You can't have it both ways. I hate to say it, but it really changed the way I look at her character.

[–] divefanatic 8 years ago

They should never have named this show Jane the Virgin if she was already having oral sex with Michael. Sex is sex.

They should never have written that part though I liked everything else about this episode.

[–] ktsparks 8 years ago

Huh? The show is called Jane the Virgin, not Jane the Never-had-Sex. She was still a virgin

[–] JaneThree 8 years ago

I was gonna say that never EVER were we told Jane didn't have sex because of God. Even her grandmother was more about the kind of girl she'd be if she had it before marriage. Religion was NOT it.

All that happened was it became part of her identity. She was engaged to Michael, so she figured may as well wait, she'd come this far. She considered losing her virginity several times because she'd already gotten pregnant, and the only reason she didn't were circumstances (Michael) and the guy shutting it down (the professor). But anyway, she did NOT stay a virgin because of religion or God or because she thought pre-marital sex was sinful.

She had phone sex with the professor. The way the scene started, they started texting when she was at her desk and then later we saw her getting hot and bothered. She had moved to her bed, and was sort of touching her leg. What did we think she was going to do - keep it there? She was going to give herself an orgasm - we just didn't see it.

And no, I have never heard that not having an orgasm is part of the "sacrifice" of staying a virgin.

[–] Eva_Marrie 8 years ago

The show is called Jane the Virgin, not Jane the Never-had-Sex. She was still a virgin

Only if you construe virginity as being defined by PIV only, which fewer and fewer people believe in these days. Hence the term 'technical virgin'.

[–] ktsparks 8 years ago

So... you think the show should have been called Jane the Technical Virgin?

[–] Eva_Marrie 8 years ago

I'm not a fan of Virgin being in the title at all - it makes a lot of people squirm and not give the show a chance.

Maybe Jane!, or Miraculous Jane, or Jane the Immaculate, or Imaculada.

[–] ex-why-zee 8 years ago

YES. THANK YOU.

it's so silly that people view virginity strictly as penetration in terms of religion. I've seen a lot of people use that "loophole" and I just want to be like, "have fun explaining that to god." Just admit you're just as bad as the rest of us sinners.

I don't know if I just imagined it, but they may have slightly hinted to Michael and Jane doing other stuff in the past, but I'm not sure. Still was frustrating to watch this scene.

[–] paranoja 8 years ago

It's realistic though - Jane met Michael when she was 21 and she was 23 when the show premiered, so they'd been together for two years and they've clearly shared the same bed and so on. Keep in mind that Jane was also not only raised by Alba, but sexually liberated Xo, who I'd imagine would encourage Jane to use every loophole in the book. Had Alba not been in the picture, then Jane would've probably lost her virginity a long time ago imho.

And it's also very true to life, as you say - there's tonnes of "good" catholic girls who'll consider as long as it's not vaginal penetration you're still a virgin, which would mean there's a helluva lot gay people who are virgins.

I really didn't mind it, but I can see why it annoys some.

[–] divefanatic 8 years ago

Good points. Still hard to stomach though cause I think of those girls who use "loopholes" as idiots and I don't like to think of Jane as an idiot too.

Even with a crazy grandma, she had a liberal mom so if she had brains which the show makes her out as having, then she would have listened to mom instead.

I'm starting to really dislike the grandma too.

[–] fede_4488 8 years ago

You christians with your prudenes and your shaming are ridiculous

If I don't reply, you're probably on my ignore list for something I forgot already

[–] partymonkey9493 8 years ago

Completely agree. I liked how this show was showing a woman handling sexuality differently than today's societal norms - going against the status quo.

Regardless of what your viewpoints on sex before or after marriage are, last night's episode would have been more interesting if Jane hadn't had any sexual relations before. This would have allowed the writers to explore how she would have reacted to having experienced something completely new - rather than something a little different.

[–] Eva_Marrie 8 years ago

It adds 2 other things to consider as well:

1. There is no way that someone as research happy as Jane wouldn't have known that PIV is a very unlikely method for a woman to orgasm, especially on the first try. If she's had orgasms before via the most effective method (oral) and knows all about needing to 'get out of her head' to get there - she must've researched the hell out of sexual techniques in general. So her freak-out about her and Michael being incompatible makes no sense whatsoever.

2. It is actually possible to get pregnant via doing 'other things' if you're not careful about sperm coming into contact with lady parts (even externally). Which throws the whole premise of the show into question because the baby could potentially be Michael's, and then Jane's pregnancy wouldn't be so miraculous after all.

[–] JaneThree 8 years ago

Jane didn't refuse to have sex for religious, God-fearing, moral reasons. It started out that way, but by the time she was a teen-ager she was as influenced by her mother as her grandmother. It became HER choice. At first, it was because she wanted to be sure she would never be a single mother and have her education/career plans derailed. Then when she was engaged to Michael, it was more like "well, I've waited this long." But remember, he DID move the timeline up. It just became that she did it to avoid getting pregnant/being distracted from her future, and then having invested all that time in remaining a virgin, figured she may as well carry it through. But it wasn't religion and morality.

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[–] janshell 8 years ago

I don't even know why I was unnerved by that scene! Who wants to watch Jane get oral sex with her face looking goofy like that! And yes like you I went, 'Huh???' when Michael mentioned the other stuff!

[–] JaneThree 8 years ago

Yeah, I was gonna say that this episode showed me Jane's sex life in WAY more detail than I needed. Well, didn't show me, but told me. Hell, when the sex aid lubricant started burning, Michael made "Blowing" (i.e., cooling off) moves with his mouth. It was funny sort of, but more like, oh God, let this be over.

OTOH, a lot of shows are very coy and nonspecific about sex. Jane the Virgin talks normally about a lot of stuff. I believe Jane and Michael would have these issues and perhaps consider the approaches they did, and I'm glad Jane the Virgin is so frank. Still, it wasn't that the detail made me squeamish, it was just too much showing AND telling. Maybe one or the other. Both squicked me out.