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Moana = Pocahontas? Is Disney repeating itself?


Disney seems to be patterning their new Golden Age after their previous one in the 90's, with Moana being their new Pocahontas. Have a look at the similarities between the two movies:

1. Both princesses belong to ancient tribes and are daughters of chiefs.
2. Both princesses have a grandma-figure character.
3. Nature has consciousness and the tribe has a deep relationship with it(I read that in Moana, the ocean is a living character, and there is also a concept art of a giant lava woman).

And it's not just Moana. Have a look at Tangled and Frozen:

Tangled = The Little Mermaid:
1. Rapunzel and Ariel are both curious and sheltered princesses who dream of exploring the outside world.
2. Both princesses were forbidden to go to the outside by an overprotective parent because humans are dangerous.
3. Both princesses disobeyed their parents and ran away to the outside world, where they fall in love with a guy(also Flynn and Eric resemble each other).
4. The princess and the leading man have a romantic musical number in a small boat together. They nearly kiss, but were interrupted by the two evil minion twins.
5. The villain is an old hag with two evil twins as minions, and she uses an illusion of heartbreak against the princess.
6. Both movies marked the beginning of their respective Golden Ages.

Frozen = Beauty and the Beast:
1. Elsa and Beast are both magically-cursed and tortured individuals who live in isolation.
2. They were labeled as monsters by society; people have attempted to storm their castle to assassinate them.
3. They were loved by women who see through their violent exterior and who teach them true love.
4. They were freed from their curse through a dying act of true love.
5. The handsome, charismatic, and well-liked guy in town turned out to be the real monster in the end.
6. Said guy was determined to marry the protagonist princess.
7. Said guy attempted to kill Elsa/Beast with a sword.
8. Said guy fell from a great height at his defeat.
9. Movie ends with a public dance of the two central characters.

Also an interesting similarity:
The Princess and the Frog = The Black Cauldron:
1. Both films were not as successful as Disney hoped.
2. Both films premiered right before the start of their respective Golden Ages.
3. The villain used Satanic magic.

And now, it seems Moana is shaping up to be this Renaissance's Pocahontas. Even their other upcoming film Zootopia seems like the new Lion King as it involves talking animals in an African savannah setting.

However, there are some oddballs - I do not see an old Renaissiance equivalent for Wreck-it Ralph and Big Hero 6. Perhaps these movies are Disney's attempts to branch out of their traditional fairy tale and animal flicks. There is also no new Aladdin counterpart, at least not yet.

While Disney's new movies are original enough to stand on their own, do you think the similarities are conscious decisions by Disney to repeat their former glory, like they're following their own success formula? Or are the similarities just coincidences? I personally don't think so, as the similarities are pretty remarkable.

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it feels like hercules more than Pocahontas

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Meh, I think it's mostly general sweeping comparisons rather than anything specific. Someone else pointed out similarities between different movies than the ones you compared. I think it just shows that you can pull parallels and show similarities between practically any two movies if you're general enough, but there isn't anything similar enough to say that they're following any formulas from Renaissance era movies.

To see comparisons that WOULD seem like someone is following a preset formula, look at comparisons between Avatar and Pocahontas, or SW: TFA and SW: ANH.

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Ignoring all the other movies that you mentioned, I will concede that part of the reason for the release of Moana might be to draw in the brown audience and "give us" another title princess. That, along with simple cultural affinity, would account for the fact that both girls are the daughters of chiefs. However, let's clarify that these chiefdoms originated in quite different realms of the earth, and amidst spiritual similarities are absolutely distinct in their own rituals.

Further, while Pocahontas is based on a woman whose birth can be traced by agreed historians to a specific and recent century, Moana is a story whose characters will be found in what modern people classify as "pre-history." For instance, Grandmother Willow is a Disney creation based on Native spirituality. Sina is an actual Samoan matriarch of Polynesian (pre-)history -- as a matter of fact Sina is the name of many queens of various island nations within Polynesia. So while Moana's "grandma-figure character," as you've named her, may be an amalgamation of numerous Polynesian princesses, her origin is vastly different from that of the other.

Finally, I would only blame our reality for the fact that both princesses are tied to the elements. Many Native people believe that they were birthed out of the ground of the earth by God Himself and Polynesians have been saying the same thing about themselves, except our version says we were pulled up from the bottom of the sea. Again this is merely the result of being a people in tune with God and reverent of His Creation.

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I think I can play this game.

Tangled = Star Wars OT
1. A princess with distinct-looking hair is held by villains.
2. A dashing rogue rescues her.
3. There is a song in a tavern.
4. The villain falls to his/her death.
5. A side character(s) who solves everything speaks in jibberish.
6. Involves a high-speed chase through a forest.
7. The most interesting tool/weapon glows when being used.

Let's try another one, just to demonstrate the complete worthlessness of this analysis technique.

Little Mermaid = The Godfather
1. A character sleeps with fishes.
2. The protagonist changes over the course of the movie.
3. The hero is at first hesitant to go on the adventure.
4. The hero has a mentor character.
5. In the end, the hero kills the bad guy(s) through his/her minion(s).

Okay, the point is that in the end, stories vary very little when presented in high-level details. The presentation varies, and that is how we connect with art. But thanks, I had fun.

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Excellent post! Thank you!

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Even their other upcoming film Zootopia seems like the new Lion King as it involves talking animals in an African savannah setting.


I'm sorry, what?


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You can easily apply this to Atlantis: The Lost Empire as well.

1. Both princesses belong to ancient tribes and are daughters of chiefs.
2. Both princesses have a grandma-figure character.
3. Nature has consciousness and the tribe has a deep relationship with it.

These are universal themes, and Disney films are more or less the same.

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Except Kida was still so late into that movie and she wasn't as super important as she should have been in the story and no takes to having Milo being the film's main focus and not her(which I think about it would been way more interesting).

Also they give her very little in terms of screen time that makes you wonder if she was added at later date when it come to that script plus all saw was her and the blind king father of hers(who dies) and her mother being consumed by the vague crystal god at the beginning(am sorry that everyone in the movie is totally obsessed with this thing???)to shield the city from the flood or whatever that was!!!!

You could take it as one of the MANY faults of that infamous movie

Here it seems there are doing a proper island princess story that Atlantis never was(mainly because it was trying to be just mindless PG-13 action film) but I am sorry if am not seeing the comparison there

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