I didn't watch this movie because when I watched the trailer I was really excited to watch it, but then I noticed something not right... Tiger Lily is white and blonde!!!!!! Am I the only one who was mad with this?
shareTiger Lily in PAN, as portrayed by Rooney Mara, was not blonde at all!
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Not blonde and I'm unsure why she couldn't be white? Just as Brandy can play a black Cinderella with her prince being Asian (with a black mother and white father). It's a movie and the race really should not define the character.... She did a great job with the character I thought.
shareBut as a character, Tiger Lily's identity is that of a Native American Princess. Cinderella on the other hand makes no mention of anyone's heritage.
shareThat is bs it is widely known Cinderella identifies as a WHITE, BLONDE female.
share"That is bs it is widely known Cinderella identifies as a WHITE, BLONDE female. "
Ummmmm... not exactly.
"Cinderella" is a folk tale, a relatively modern retelling of a story with origins that cross cultural lines and go back millennia, and Cinderella, being a daughter of nobility of the land is always the race of the culture the story is in. The first version of the story which is recognizable as having the lost slipper plot device is Chinese, so the first known (860 AD) "Cinderella" (whose name was Ye Xian, btw), was Chinese. So, Asian and black hair.
The folk tale, however, is a variant of the "persecuted heroine" folk tale, and the earliest known variant is the story of Rhodopis, about a Greek (Thracian - same tribe as "Xena") slave girl who is bathing, and an eagle steals her shoe and drops it into the lap of the king of Egypt, whom she marries. Rhodopis is a folk tale, but the "slave girl" in the story is based on an actual, real-life 6th-century BC hetaera (courtesan), so she was most likely olive skinned (Mediterranean/Middle Eastern)with black hair.
There are versions of the story in Indonesia and Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Korea, West and South Asia before it comes to Europe through France. The illustrations in Charles Perrault's "Cendrillon", the first and most popular European version of the story show Cendrillon as having red hair, which would be consistent with French royalty of the time, who were Franks (dark skinned with black hair) intermarried with Nordic Celts (often red heads or strawberry blondes). It isn't until the Grimm's version of the tale that we see illustrations of "Aschenputtel" ("Cinderella"'s name in German) that we finally see Cinderella as a fair skinned blonde.
And that association being dominant in English speaking European society is consistent with the white supremacist perception of beauty which developed in the middle ages. But Cinderella herself has been many things in many different cultures. Unless you want to only consider the European original... who was a French redhead.
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The Brandy Cinderella....besides playing off her popularity at the time and the star power of a few stars, is also based on a staged musical version of Cinderella and was cast like a stage play with no logic in biological realities (most stage musicals are cast based on musical ability) and biological possibilities (the Prince's mom was black and his dad white) were not concurrent with reality in any way. But really no classic fairy tale has said what Cinderella looks like, the only one with any real long lasting description from original text is Snow White. As her entire name comes from physical attributes. Conclusions about these princesses from Euro-centric fairy tales come from the fact there origins are Euro-centric and for a long time default "beauty" came in the package of white woman with blond hair, blue eyes, and pleasing body type.
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I am not mad because I don't know who Tiger Lily is supposed to be.
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Although Rooney Mara, who had light brown hair for this role, was pretty good in it. I would have preferred a native person as Tiger Lily.
They tried to mash up native first nation and asian indian culture, so that they could put Rooney Mara in, I am guessing.
The problem is that most of the native actresses who are good actresses, are too old to play the role. I've seen recent photos of two of the ones I thought could play her. Q'orianka Kilcher and Keisha Castle-Hughes are too old, and don't look right for the role anymore.
They could have tried an unknown native actress for the role. But sadly, whoever made the choice, they were not willing to take the chance.
I thought Rooney Mara did a decent job, but her casting was very questionable. Namely that the tribe in this film seems to be multi ethnic. And yet the one member of the tribe that has any role in the story is the white girl. But then again I wonder if there would have been controversy if a Native American actress had been cast - since Tiger Lily has always been a bit of a stereotypical character.
But both actresses you mentioned are younger than Rooney Mara. Q'orianka did actually play Tiger Lily in a tv adaption.
shareWho is to say that in this fantasy land that the natives are supposed to be native Americans? "Native" simply means, in this context, the first people to inhabit an area. The natives in this case could have been the first people to go to Neverland.
If you watch it you will see they are all different races.
Native American isn't the only native group out there and only were portrayed as native Americans in the Disney film.
well no matter what they would have gotten it wrong because Pickaninny (also picaninny or piccaninny or pickinniny) is a term in English which refers to dark-skinned children usually of African descent or a racial caricature thereof
so having a native american play tiger lily be wrong as well because they were not natives americans in the original as well