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Where are these engineering geniuses now?


If the Carl Hayden Team was truly full of engineering geniuses they would be employed as such but it looks like this movie is misleading propaganda.

Carl Hayden Team (Luis Aranda, Lorenzo Santillan, Cristian Arcega, Oscar Vazquez)

Luis Aranda - Janitor
Lorenzo Santillan - Line Cook
Cristian Arcega - Worked at Home Depot
Oscar Vazquez - Railroad Foreman

MIT Team (Kurt Stiehl, Lauren Cooney, Jordan Stanway, Thaddeus Stefanov-Wagner)

Kurt Stiehl - Product Design Manager at Apple Inc.
Lauren Cooney - Embedded Software Engineer at Teledyne Webb Research
Jordan Stanway - Postdoctoral Fellow at Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute
Thaddeus Stefanov-Wagner - Mechanical Engineer at Bluefin Robotics

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You seem overly bitter about this. Like, way over the top bitter. You a MIT grad? The MIT graduates you listed were in college, probably studying engineering. The Carl Hayden guys were in high school. Sorry bud, you mad?

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I am not mad and am not an MIT grad, I just have a problem with propaganda. The Carl Hayden guys are obviously not engineering geniuses since they have never achieved anything close to what the members of the MIT team have so far. Universities, including those in other countries would do anything to get alleged brilliant minds into them. This proves they were not so brilliant and the movie is propaganda.

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hahahh-hahhh, fuk that guy.

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I basically respond to these like once a year, mainly because I am too busy, well, living life. You seem way too far into proving that those guys aren't worth anything. My father was a janitor for General Motors and brought home 6 figures. Oh that's right, it's about status right? I fly a small airplane in Alaska, making sure the natives get food and I get payed *beep* But then again, it's not flying a 747 into Chicago right? I love my life though, and who says those guys don't? I bet you enjoy that steak served just right from the line cook don't ya?

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Yawn... and secretaries for Microsoft became millionaires when they went public none of which made them computer scientists.

These guys have proven they are not engineers and this whole story is hype.

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The is an overdramatised movie based on true events.
There are several deviation from the real story, but they did win the competition.
That doesn't make them geniuses, at least not in my book, but I have no problem with acknowledging their archievment that is celebrated with this movie.
Their personal careers or failures don't diminish that archievement.

You seem to have a problem with acknowledging that archievment. Because your life is a failure and therefore you seek attention here?

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I have a problem with propaganda and there is no need for you to project.

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Do you even know what Propaganda is? Obviously not.

They won the competition with less resources and education at their disposal.
This is fact, no matter how you want to spin it.

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Yes, it is the movie Spare Parts.

The reality of their true abilities as been exposed and thus their win is suspect.

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So what.

From wikipedia:
Propaganda is a form of communication aimed towards influencing the attitude of a population toward some cause or position.
Propaganda is information that is not impartial and used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively (perhaps lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or using loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information presented.
While the term propaganda has acquired a strongly negative connotation by association with its most manipulative and jingoistic examples, propaganda in its original sense was neutral and could refer to uses that were generally positive, such as public health recommendations, signs encouraging citizens to participate in a census or election, or messages encouraging persons to report crimes to law enforcement.

Everyone can now judge for themselves how much that applies to the film.

You make some wild claims about geniuses and IQs, MIT without one single student there bought in, American tax payers' money when it was money from fundraising...

I mean, I like truth, I think I can, if I try real hard, know where you're coming from.

Shouldn't your beef be with the judges of the competition then?

Don't answer please, I find you too unpleasant a human being to spend any more time reading what you write.

Peace, and a good and fortunate life. Count your blessings.

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary thus it is not a valid source to define words.

Obviously, I have a huge problem with the judges.

In the real world, "engineering geniuses" do not become janitors or cooks. It sure sounds like the bulk of the heavy lifting on the Carl Hayden team was done by their coaches.

Interesting how you find people who disagree with you "unpleasant human beings" - that says more about your character than anything else.

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In real life it is often more important whether you have been born into a life oft priviledge than how talented you are.

Dach judge was and is probably far Mord accomplished than you will ever be. There were people from NASA who congratulated the Hayden students, because unlike the Mit students, they followed the guidelines of the competition and therefore won it.

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Tell that to Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.

Sorry but I am more accomplished than all of the Hayden students combined. Politically correct employees work at every government agency.

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Tell that to Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.

Sorry but I am more accomplished than all of the Hayden students combined. Politically correct employees work at every government agency.


Were they illegal imiigrants from poor families?
No.

You are just some internet troll, noone cares about your calaims.
Have you won some competition against colleges? No? Of course not.



"I have the higher ground"
"what's that supposed to mean?"

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Lying about who I am does not change reality. I have also won plenty of challenges and competitions in my life.

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Reality is that the Hayden tram won the competition fair and squate. None of the judges came forward to claim anything else.
You are just some bitter moron who can't stand that some mexican have more success than yourself.

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I would not call working as a janitor more successful than myself.

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You may be more accomplished than them but I guarantee they aren't as bitter and unhappy as you appear to be.

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Dolph Lundgren has a degree in Chemical Engineering, he's a B-film actor. I worked with a guy at a poultry plant in 1997 who had an electrical engineering degree. I asked him why he worked there he told me, "It pays more." I saw a documentary once where the smartest guy in the US works as a bouncer at a bar. I have an aunt who has a PH.D in literature, she teaches elementary school. Her daughter currently has a Master's degree in English and working on her doctorate, and she's a housewife.

Please with your rhetoric.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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Dolph Lundgren choose his career path. Your aunt and cousin should have been told not to get a worthless liberal arts degree. The rest of your nonsense is unsubstantiated hearsay.

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Your rhetoric is brainless.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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Facts are facts.

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They're not "facts". They are YOUR opinions based on a bias you hold against these kids because they do not meet your egotistical qualifications on who people are, or what they do with their lives.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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There is nothing supsect about their win.
Noone came forward and critisized the judgement, and you obviously didn't even read the guidelines oft the competition.

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Of course it is suspect, it is not who are the better salesmen but who are the better engineers.

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I think you are the only one around here that think it's suspect just cause they were illegal immigrants.

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I have provided overwhelming evidence that it was suspect.

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Except there is more to the competition than building the machine. You can build a machine that turns garbage to gold but if you can't explain how it works what good is it when you are gone.

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All i see here are titles not the stories behind them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/opinion/the-cruel-waste-of-americas-tech-talent.html

If you will read the full stories you will two of them attended university and got deported/unfunded. Also the cook and the janitor didn't want to attend uni, doesn't mean they aren't smart or good at engineering.

It is so typical and unfortunate to look at job titles of people and from that infer about all of their life, their intelligence or etc... There is much more that that in real life.

Here you can see for example your "stupid" "no good Home depot salesman" asking for money to attend and learn:
https://www.crowdismo.com/project/cristian-arcega-dream-build

Well, if only he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, too bad that means he is also not smart.

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Oh please, stop making excuses for their failures in life and illegal activities. I am not allowed to break the law so why should they? Universities all over the world are dying to enroll engineering geniuses and will easily offer scholarships. The fact is none of them were that anywhere near that smart.

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This guy is clearly a moron and kind of dumb. Don't comment anymore on this.

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You don't need to get personal because you lack a proper university education to argue your points, just admit it.

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Personal? You just watched a movie and your entire thread is personal. So over the top that it's weird. Gee, I thought my bachelor's degree was worth something. Must be wrong. I beg anyone after me, including my stubborn self not to comment anymore on this. This guy is a wacko

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Incorrect, nothing is factually inaccurate about my original post. Yours on the other hand is nothing but a personal attack. I am sorry if the truth hurts.

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You don't read very well. One of them got a scholarship to attend ASU. They defunded undocumented people from financing, which included scholarships, and he had to drop out because he couldn't afford to pay himself.

I would say you read what you want but I don't think you read anything that doesn't agree with you.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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Why should criminals be eligible for scholarships?

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They're not criminals. Their parents may be but they're not. Again: do children have a choice where you live to go where they want?

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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So they are not over 18 years old?

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Not what I said nor asked.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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Then I suggest you look up immigration laws and stop defending criminal behavior.

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I've talked with some walls before but you take the cake. We're not even talking about the same thing because you're stuck in your box of what you find to be true and not true. Only *your* facts mean anything, therefore talking to you is senseless.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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Yes a bunch of privileged white guys got better jobs then illegal immigrant latino's, what is the big reveal?!?
You are just a sad little racist aren't you?

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MIT is not an old boys club, only the best and the brightest get in which obviously does not include the members of the Carl Hayden high team. Trying to smear me is not going to change reality.

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And reality shows, that the Hayden students won the competition.
No matter how much you are trying to smear them, this stays true.

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MIT is not an old boys club, only the best and the brightest get in


Don't forget the richest, at $45K/year tuition plus room/board/books/supplies. And those with enough free time in high school to pad their application with plenty of relevant extra-curricular activities - as opposed to working a part-time job to support your family while hiding from ICE.

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Wrong, you cannot get into MIT with only money. You are getting confused about which school we are talking about.

And you only have to hide if you are a criminal.

I feel bad for anybody who has irresponsible parents that cannot take care of their children.

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You also can't buy the win at the competition.
The hayden win was in more ways than one deserving


"I have the higher ground"
"what's that supposed to mean?"

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Nope but you can get sympathy from ideologically biased judges who believe in affirmative action.

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they indeed got public funding for their achievements. Then, republicans passed a law forbidding the use of public funding to illegals. Suddenly tuition became 3 times more expensive and most had to quit.

It is perfectly common high IQ, skills and poor origins combine into a humble income. Anyway, a cheerleader may get a position as president even by minority vote when he uses the right surname.

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The reality is their IQ was obviously not that high.

Should U.S. tax payer money fund everyone's college education in the world?

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Well, you are right in a way. Winning one event is not evidence of broad knowledge.

But the real propaganda was about illegal immigrations. The film depicted illegal immigrants as the victims of their own crimes. What nonsense!

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Do children have a choice where there parents take them where you live?

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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They do when they are over 18.

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And which characters in this movie were illegal aliens who came over at or above the age of 18?

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Which of the characters were portrayed as geniuses? The only one would be Christian. Oscar was obviously smart. Lorenzo was basically a mechanic and has natural technical ability. That's not uncommon. My dad and brothers are all naturally gifted when it comes to mechanics but never formally trained. Also Louis was not portrayed as being remotely a genius. If anything he was portrayed as having a lower IQ but was able to learn what they were doing from the others. I don't really see why you're acting as if the movie was lying. Obviously some things were exaggerated but even at the end it told us Lorenzo became a chef.

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