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Something very ridiculous about this movie, and nobody's talking about i


The chip that can apparently break all encryption in the world.

Seriously, anybody who has a decent knowledge of how computers work, knows that current encryption algorithms can't be broken by classical computers even after a billion years.

Maybe they can argue this thingamajig is a quantum computer, which greatly reduces the algorithmic complexity to be able to break encryption. But if that's the case, then they won't be the only ones with such technology. Currently quantum computers are being developed in many companies and universities, so when a device like this actually works, it won't go unnoticed.

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Man, this movie is for 10-year olds, I doubt that many children of this age care much about quantum computers...

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"This movie is for 10-year-olds" is exactly correct. It's made for teenagers who go on dates with their teenage lovers to the theater and, since they've never seen any good thought-provoking films, or more importantly: READ anything good and though-provoking, they leave the theater under the impression that they've seen something good, but obviously it's "good" only in the mind of a teenager. The production quality is good, the acting is good (except for Jesse Eisenberg), but they've shined sh*t and called it gold, and the biggest demographic of people who frequent these dumbed-down, pg-13 popcorn date movies are teenagers. If you had to be 21 or older to watch this film, its IMDB rating would be lower than 4/10. A good example would be Breaking Bad. It's a good show don't get me wrong, but there's no way in hell it deserves the rating of (last time I looked 9.4/10), which was higher than game of thrones, sopranos, the wire, deadwood, dexter, etc. And the bottom line is that it's not even close to shows of that caliber (i.e. stuff on HBO, showtime, etc). But the fact of the matter is that teenagers who only have access to cable television are only able to see stuff like the walking dead, lost, heroes, etc, and they come to IMDB and say "I R LIKE ZOMBIES, WALKING DED IS 10/10 SHOW, I LUV TEH ZOMBIZ"... except the aforementioned shows, when considering everything else, are more like 7/10 shows. It's like a person who's never seen or driven a porsche, ferrari, lamborghini, etc and has only driven honda civics and mustangs their entire lives then they review the latest subaru WRX on their youtube channel talking about how it's a 10/10 when they've only experienced the tip of the iceberg, and quite frankly don't have access to, and will most likely never get to experience the other 90% of the iceberg

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You sound like a kid yourself.

"outofmana"....yes. definitely a kid.

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I'm glad you took the time to explain your statement and why I'm a "kid"; because everyone will most assuredly believe you straight away when you say something like "U r a littel kid an u r teh bad guyz!!!!!" without any further words or god forbid, an explanation. But thanks for keeping us entertained...

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Yup, definitely a kid.

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I keep trying to read your comment but all I see is "You're right, and now I'm upset"

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Stop being a troll.

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BAD TROLL

*Hits with stick*

Some folks definition of "Kid" varies, mine stretches to the mid twenties and beyond for many such as folks who like to troll and make childish rash assumptions on social forums.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world"

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How low are your standards to actually call that *beep* good acting? Reply when you can legally go buy a beer from the store.

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Well said bro. Been feeling like this for years.

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Basically the same idea as used in the 1992 movie Sneakers

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I've only seen the movie once (just now) and while I do believe you are right and it was referred in the movie to be capable of accessing any and all encrypted information in the world, it could have been just a simplification. I mean, let's imagine a hypothetical scenario where the tech company guy The Horsemen hypnotized had invented a (traditional binary silicon) hardware device that was capable of e.g. exploiting currently unknown vulnerability in RSA encryption and deciphering any RSA encoded information?

A) Would you say it's completely out of the question that in the following 20 years someone finds a vulnerability like this in today's RSA? Or Diffie-Hellman key exchange?
B) If something like that happened, wouldn't it essentially be fair to explain it to a layman that well, it's huge, it's so huge that essentially everything is exposed, right? My point is that it can only be a detail that is really vulnerable, and still it wouldn't be too unfair to state that okie dokie, all world's data just got exposed.

None of this is explained like this in the movie, but there are no contradictions either. If I as a software engineer were to explain RSA vulnerability exploitation hardware computing device to sleight of hand magicians in a stand-up meeting, I might go the "all data" route. Harry Potter's character must have understood the specifics, but why would he have to explain it to the magicians?

Second of all my current take is that the chip was a hoax/play to begin with. It never existed. The auction guy seemed to be a part of The Eye, so the whole auction and thus the whole chip was a setup for Radcliffe and his father, probably fed via Radcliffe as he seemed in retrospect to be the weak link of those two. We have to remember that the chip's power was never utilized in the movie, it was just the threat of it that caused everything. In my head I also think that it's easier to explain that because the chip was a fake to begin with, that's why it passed the quick on-airplane check by Radcliffe - rather than trying to explain how the real deal got there even though it was noticed to be a fake at some point. I mean, what was the purpose of the whole "wtf it's a fake" twist, if it was silently switched to the real one anyway at some point. It never was. It was fake all the way to the end.

Or it could have been a quantum computer, sure. But we don't have to go there.

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Second of all my current take is that the chip was a hoax/play to begin with.


Yes, this one makes way more sense. Even the RSA vulnerability thing seems far fetched to me (although we can't prove is impossible, but then again, the algorithm could be in any software, not a specific chip)

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There are some partial and narrow band vunerabilities to RSA encryption, especially when it comes to badly schemed random number generation. Side channel attacks using branch prediction analysis was show to discover 508 out of 512 bits in just 10 iterations, many suspecting fully cracked but that line of reseatch and the guys coding dissappeared pretty abruptly, most figure they were bought out. Another interesting and actually movie friendly possibility is the power fault attack, which would involve access to power system the key server was running on and amplifying the cpu voltage outside of specified limits, here's a pretty interesting pdf on it (http://web.eecs.umich.edu/~valeria/research/publications/DATE10RSA.pdf)

But I think this is well beyond the scope of a imdb discussion haha





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Bless you for caring and knowing enough to question the main plot device.

But didn't the rest of the nonsense bother you more?

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It did, but everything that can be said was already said by someone else. I wanted to address one issue nobody had talked about.

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There's a guy who controls people's minds and you have an issue with encryption? Dude, it's a movie. Get over it.

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Yeah, the mind control is *beep* Even more, I think that power is really underused.

But as I said in other comment, what I wanted here was to talk about an issue nobody had mentioned before.

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It was a good movie and entertaining. See it for what it is. A movie

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I did.

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I'm not really sure if you understand the concept to this movie, are you?

This movie is basically about magic, so all logics can be broken here as long as it doesn't go Star Wars/Star Trek...

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This movie is basically about magic


No, it's about magic tricks, which are very different from actual magic. Don't think this is a Harry Potter sequel just because Daniel Radcliffe is in it.

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No, it's about magic tricks, which are very different from actual magic.
So, when you say "actual magic", are you intimating that magic actually exists? And when you follow that with "Don't think this is a Harry Potter sequel ..." are you suggesting that, as opposed to the illusions portrayed in this movie, what was shown in the Harry Potter flicks was real?


"In a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell

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We can discuss actual unicorns (as opposed to horses with horns glued to their faces) without implying said unicorns are in any way real. I don't know what you're trying to do here.

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Did you even saw the movie??? That chip was a setup from "EYE" to get these people, not a real in the end the security guy in the house was serving himself a tea... go and watch it again.

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Thank you..I was starting to think no one even watched the movie..The chip was not real people..It was the EYE that made the dad and son think that it was real, and yes the guy that was in the place where the chip was stored was part of the EYE....

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Yes, I did see the movie. Yes, I understand The Eye set all this up. What I don't understand is how Daniel Radcliffe, who is supposedly a technology expert and not part of The Eye, fell for such a device without questioning how it could actually work.

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I don't know how computers work, so I just toss that aspect to be the same as Daniel Radcliffe able to set up an underground well-thingy with a cell phone siphon whatever the *beep* that can steal EVERYTHING on your phone from just placing it onto a surface.

Last I saw that *beep* was in Batman v Superman, Bruce Wayne-level gadget.

So if Daniel Radcliffe's guy can invent that, then he will probably believe his "rival" genius whom Daniel clearly respects can invent something like the masterkey program without questioning it.


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You know what I take that back, didn't Daniel said he fricking invented that *beep* but his "rival" "took credit" for it after ratting him out to the board that Daniel's unstable and kicked him out? So pretty much he is the genius that invented it.

Which makes it stupid why he can't just redo it, rather than buying/stealing it back from his rival. Who happens to be an Eye agent and the whole thing is fake anyway. But it was goign to be sold as real to some south African guy and somehow Daniel was able to confirm the chip being real.

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the chip itself is an illusion. it's fake, there's no chip like that. it's just a honeypot to lure "harry potter" and "alfred" out from the shadow straight to prison. a honeypot made by the eye AKA the god almighty morgan freeman, a granny and her granchild, the mustache dude, and a bunch of unknown people.

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everything is ridiculous

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