Why make Jane so obnoxious?


What's the agenda of that?

He's made nearly some sort of romantic hero, and she, she just goes around blabbing about god, ffs, she married an atheist, how devout can she really be? Then she goes all neurotic and cheats on him - I can understand her needing some action, nothing wrong about that, but the way they went about it, made it so pathetic, made her look so pathetic. I'm sure he wouldn't have even minded.

They even made "it's american" sound like she's dimwitted :(

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She's not annoying in the movie.

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Wow. You missed every point. She was far from pathetic.

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Hawking was portrayed in a much more favorable light, for sure. I wish they had delved into his wife's struggles and the issues in their marriage. It was a little too sappy for me.

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If she wasn't somewhat religious there is no doubt in my mind that Stephen would have died a long time ago. She really cared about him and thought it was her purpose to take care of him. Anyone else would have eventually fell out of it or abused him; perhaps even pulled the plug on him when he had pneumonia. People don't give her enough credit, it was her being his polar opposite that made him so ambitious to live.

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Obnoxious? I think she's heroic.

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She cheats on him. Hardly heroic!

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she did not cheat on him!

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Then why did they make a point of showing Jane going into Jonathan's tent?

There's nothing the least bit funny about stealing a meal from Neal McBeal the Navy SEAL.

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Stephen gave her permission.

Its called an open marriage, not cheating.

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I don't see how she was heroic. She was disappointed that he lived way beyond the two years which she had signed up for. Remember, when she married him (according to the movie), she was told it was going to be difficult and he only had about two years to live. Then he ends up living years beyond that, and that is not what she had signed up for. She even makes a comment to him towards the end, [paraphrasing] "I thought we only had two years, but it was so much longer than that" - crying as she said this.

And another thing about her that was annoying - she practically came across as stalker in the beginning of the film when they first met. When she walks into the dance, and the way she looks at him and asks her friend who he is when she first spots him - she looked like such a crazy stalker the way she kept staring at this man she didn't even know. And then she was way too eager to assimilate herself into his life and family.

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Wow. It'd be a wonder how any relationship could begin with that kind of attitude. You must have never had a crush on or been interested in someone enough to pursue them before.

As for Jane, as portrayed and as she was and is, I can't even begin to fathom the complexities of their life together. Her faith made her strong. Her love for Stephen was real. Thirty years of the amount of care her husband required takes its toll. Forget about casting her in a "favorable" light, she was cast in a REAL one. To sugarcoat it and dismiss the consequences of their hardships would have been a disservice. She never cheated on him. She developed feelings for Jonathan, which neither of them acted on until Stephen left her for his nurse.

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You must have never had a crush on or been interested in someone enough to pursue them before.



sure I have. But I have never been as stalkerish as they made her out to be. Seriously - the way she looked at him and literally did not take her eyes off of him and kept following him. That wasn't sweet and romantic - it was creepy!

She developed feelings for Jonathan, which neither of them acted on until Stephen left her for his nurse.


You don't know this. Just because they didn't specifically show it in the movie doesn't mean it didn't happen. And let's just say, just for argument sake, that they never physically acted on anything until after Stephen left. Just the mere act of allowing yourself to be in a position to "develop feelings" for someone other than your spouse can start destroying the marriage. She was no saint or hero. She was disappointed and thrown when Stephen lived well beyond the years that he was expected to. As I said above - she only signed up for two years, and he overstayed that as far as she was concerned.

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Seriously - the way she looked at him and literally did not take her eyes off of him and kept following him. That wasn't sweet and romantic - it was creepy!

Im always confused by this stance. Looking at someone is a sign of affection, not creepiness. whoever came with that notion must have been quite mad.

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I'm watching it right now - she did stare at him when she first saw him and didn't move from where she was. She didn't 'follow him' at all. She just stood there and he came over to her.

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Here's the rub. You could say that it was her faith that made it possible for Stephen so much longer than expected. She created this old monster. She can still have sex with him. She made a commitment, whether the terms lived up to her expectations or not. She needs to keep up her end of the bargain. I'm tired of seeing women - who are supposed to be a child's moral center throw away all responsibilities for their own selfish wants and desires.

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"Here's the rub. You could say that it was her faith that made it possible for Stephen so much longer than expected. She created this old monster. She can still have sex with him. She made a commitment, whether the terms lived up to her expectations or not. She needs to keep up her end of the bargain. I'm tired of seeing women - who are supposed to be a child's moral center throw away all responsibilities for their own selfish wants and desires."

Really, you could equally say he was very selfish for marrying her when knowing how heartbreaking and difficult the outcome was supposed to be. That he lived such a long time doesn't chnage that - just makes it exhaustingly and imprisingly longer for her.

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He asked "how many years?" and she said "two..you've had so many" she didn't say it was supposed to be two, but it was so much longer than that.

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And right after announcing that he and her replacement were going to America and he's just now bothering to mention it. They were both at fault.

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And another thing about her that was annoying - she practically came across as stalker in the beginning of the film when they first met. When she walks into the dance, and the way she looks at him and asks her friend who he is when she first spots him - she looked like such a crazy stalker the way she kept staring at this man she didn't even know. And then she was way too eager to assimilate herself into his life and family.


Seriously? She didn't come across as a stalker at all, haha. There are two types of guys. Guys that are fortunate enough to have gorgeous girls look at them the way she looked at him, and guys that wish they had women like that act the way she did. That is pretty standard behavior when you are into someone.

Sorry, but relationships don't start out by people being passive and barely paying attention to each other. One or both is really into the other person and goes for it. Usually it is the man who eyes a girl and pursues her, occasionally it is the women. In the case of this film, they were mutually smitten with each other.


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And another thing about her that was annoying - she practically came across as stalker in the beginning of the film when they first met. When she walks into the dance, and the way she looks at him and asks her friend who he is when she first spots him - she looked like such a crazy stalker the way she kept staring at this man she didn't even know. And then she was way too eager to assimilate herself into his life and family.


Ummmmmmmm no. He asked her out and she said she was busy. If she was a stalker, she'd have dropped her plans, even if it was church, to go out with him.


Ay me, sad hours seem long

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well, it is the way she comes across in her book. Although she was a devoted carer to hawking, she did seem to become rather resentful over time of the limitations of her life, and also seemed rather jealous of his success as a pnysicist. she did not however start another relationship until they had been married for many years.

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I agree that she does come off a bit obnoxious in the movie. I don't know what the agenda is but I suspect they just didn't want to hurt Hawking's feelings and made him, well, some kind of a saint compared to her. Because, in the movie, it seems like the only thing she had to put up with was his declining physical condition (which was completely beyond his control). But as I understand, in real life, her life with Hawking was no picnic, and not just because of the desease. His personality played an important role in their growing apart. I've read that he was completely preoccupied with his work, developed the "God complex" and, on occasion, could even be a little domestic tyrant. I don't know how accurate this unformation is but it does ring true. I don't believe that, for Jane who seemed so spirited and determined, the everyday household difficulties would be enough reason to seek love and happiness elsewhere. I am not trying to berate Stephen Hawking or pass judgment on anyone. I am simply saying that the situation was probably more complex in real life and I am sure there were more than just one side to this story. In any case, if they had made him less saintly, he would have been a much more interesting character and the movie would only benefit.

On the other hand, I've noticed that people's perception of Jane differs. I find her a bit obnoxious but, for instance, my husband with whom I watched the movie thought she was quite heroic. He actually said something like "it's obvious the movie is based on her memoir because she is the real heroine of it". So I guess it's open to interpretation.

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Example #7: This OP

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