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The movie isn't just about how whites treat minorities...


It's also about how reverse racism exists and can be just as harmful as "normal" racism. It shows that the majority of the population can be discriminated against based on their skin colour, even if they are the ones in power. That's why I love this movie, it isn't telling white or straight people that they should respect minorities, it's telling EVERYONE that they should respect EVERYONE and not judge them based off of their looks, background etc. it shows that everyone is part of the problem and that we all need to work together to fix it.

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I completely agree! This movie is great because it shows how prejudices exist across the board and no one is immune to be discriminated against. We all need to be more mindful of believing in stereotypes.

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That's amazing about this movie, it's not targeting an ethnic group. It tries to give a lesson about racism in general, no matter who (white or black people) use it.

It wasn't #BlackLivesMatter, it was #AllLivesMatter and for that, I'm grateful.

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Black lives matter wasn't a diss to other races though, it was us saying we feel like we don't matter or that we don't feel like we're apart of all lives that matter. I don't understand why people don't get that still. But I don't think that's what this movie was touching on either.

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I might as well make a reply here on the board of my favorite movie of the past year, before the IMDb boards shut down.

I'll first say, I definitely disagree with the stupid whiny comeback phrase "All Lives Matter" or whatever.

"it was us saying we feel like we don't matter or that we don't feel like we're apart of all lives that matter."

I'll try to break down what, exactly the phrase "Black Lives Matter" seems to communicate.

It seems simple enough; literally, that the lives of black people, (especially individuals who are not being severely threatening or dangerous at the time) are valid and worthy of taking steps to avoid killing, specifically by unnecessary deadly force by mostly-white, mostly non-black police.

When you think of what that slogan is actually saying, it is actually a very obvious message.

So, who exactly out there believes that Black Lives Don't Matter, as if using deadly force might as well be a first resort for the sake of convenience because a black person getting killed is no worse a tragedy than a bug getting squashed or some disposable roadkill?

The slogan "Black Lives Matter" implies that there's some group of people who actually need to be "reminded" or "taught" that black people shouldn't be killed so casually. Who are these people who think that Black Lives Don't Matter, who need to be convinced otherwise?

I have a hard time believing that the fewer than a few hundred police officers https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/ responsible for killing maybe a few hundred black people in, for example, the year 2015, under dubious circumstances, took their often-split-second decisions so casually, let alone that they did so because they thought that "meh, who cares if I use deadly force, this suspect is a black person and they are kinda a dime a dozen and disposable and there's too many of them anyway" even on some "subconscious level"

Maybe the phrase grew so popular because it is very bold or radical to "have to" remind people that it's a tragedy for black people to suddenly get killed under sudden, dubious circumstances rather than something that wouldn't have really mattered anyway if they had continued to live because their existence was pitiful, meaningless or bothersome to society or whatever.

Also because it's a quick and easy short slogan.

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The phrase "All Lives Matter" stems from the fact that the phrase "Black Lives Matter", regardless of its origins, has become a black supremacist slogan, used by people who would see fit to grab the mic at a service dedicated to the people murdered at the Pulse nightclub (who were murdered because and only because they were gay) to whine about how blacks are the target of oppression (ha, you thought I was going to mention the BLM kidnappers who livestreamed the torture of a disabled Trump supporter, and look at that, I have!) meaning that is really has come to mean "Only Black Lives Matter", hence the necessity for "All Lives Matter", and indeed, after the BLM call for the death of police officers along with their actual murder at the hands of BLM, "Blue Lives Matter" has become necessary.

Did I just say necessity? Well, it's not really necessary I guess. But it sure pisses off a lot of racist black people, and that's good enough for me.

Take them to the security kitchen!

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It started off with good intentions but a lot of violence has happened under the movement itself.


The hashtag/slogan I don't think is the primary issue. But those who were violent or vandalized who did so while marching for BLM.


I know that's not the majprity of the movement but it does sort of taint it in some people's eyes.


Look at the Women's March in Washington. I don't personally agree with it or what they're marching for but it was almost completely non-violent. I think there was one or two mincor incidents. But BLM has had many incidents, and some in that group have become extremists.

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Black lives matter wasn't a diss to other races though

But it was built upon a lie. Hands up, don't shoot never happened. And the unfortunate reality is BLM leadership is littered with bad seeds that promote real racism.

Black Lives Matter Leader Says White People Are ‘Sub-Human’ and Suffer From ‘Genetic Defects’
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/black-lives-matter-leader-says-white-people-are-sub-human-and-suffer-from-genetic-defects/
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When logic and science aren't on your side, you always lose.

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agree

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I feel Nick Wilde represented that factor that in a society where one particular group is usually in control (e.g. White Males) not all members of that group really have any power and are as 'bad off' as the others in that society (e.g. poor White Males) and tend to take the heat from the others for what the top dogs do because they are of the same ilk but not of the same power so they become the scapegoats.

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Or maybe Foxes are the Jews? A group of white people who have a history of being discriminated themselves?

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We could dig into this a lot. I could point out Jenny Slate who voiced Bellwether is Jewish (for example).

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The message of the movie was... blacks, like carnivores must reject their natural instincts in order for society to work.

It was one of the most hilariously racists films ever made and yet NO-ONE seems to have noticed this at all.

Lol

Genius!

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lol that makes sense

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Well, that is not really true since the predators don't seem to represent one particular real-life ethnical group.

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The predators are clearly avatars for MEN, not POC. After all, the predators are the ones in positions of power, and are mostly dominated by male voice-artists, whereas the herbivores are predominantly voiced by women, and display resentment over the systemic power the men possess.

The villain, an ambitious sheep, poisons the predators with the equivalent of testosterone, so that they revert to their more toxic-macho ways.

The nice thing about this film is that it has it both ways. It says that men should control their toxic male instincts, but also calls out militant feminists who are trying to catch men out.

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All lives matter !

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The movie isn't just about how whites treat minorities...


yeah it is be better

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