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What About The Man's Choice?! (Not in this film but in general)


First let me start by saying that this isn't a debate about women having the right or not to have an abortion...they have that right and that's that. (I'm not in favor or against it, in reality this is a tough topic and a tough debate. I mean on one side it's true that no one has a right to tell a man or woman what to do or don't do to their bodies, on the other side it's true that we are talking about a human coming into this world so don't they have rights?). This is about men having the right to decide their future just like women do.

When a woman finds out she is pregnant, society is trying to tell men that they should just let the woman decide and just be there to support her on whatever decision she makes (kind of like in 'Knocked Up', when Seth Rogan's character said he'll be there no matter what she decides and people say that's so sweet and cute). If the man wants the baby and the woman doesn't, it's her body so he can't tell her to have it, I agree. But if the man says he can't be a father now, that he doesn't have his life in order or whatever, and the woman has the baby the guy HAS to be there or pay child support with no questions asked. How can society tell a man he has to be the father and pay up even if he doesn't want to (how can society give women options and based on what the woman decides, that will determine the man's future without his say?) yet if a woman doesn't want to pay or take care of her child, before or after the baby is born, society accepts it? If a man doesn't pay child support he is a deadbeat dad, if a woman leaves a baby at the police station we applaud her bravery!

Forget the argument where some women say 'you just don't get it, you don't get what we have to go through to have a baby', but this isn't about that. Yes you have the right to not have the baby, as you should, and you have to carry it for nine months but men are being forced to pay child support (without a trial, they even get locked up if they don't pay) even if they never wanted to be a father to begin with (even if women trick guys into getting them pregnant men still have to pay!)!

When a man says he didn't want to be a father the response most of the time is 'well you knew what you were getting into when you had sex with her'. How is this fair/equality? If you could tell a man this can't you then say to a woman that she can't have an abortion since "she knew what she was getting into when she opened her legs"? Outrageous of course! (Of course I'm talking about 99percent of abortions where it's consensual sex between a man and a woman and not rape, incest or any other horrible cases).

Here's how to make things equal and fair between women and men in these cases:

The current law in the US is that a woman can have an abortion up until 5 months into the pregnancy (I believe) and once she has the baby, and if she doesn't want it, she can leave it at any police station, fire department, etc with no questions asked. To make things equal between men and women, there should be a law where men get the 5 months to tell the girl he got pregnant if he will be the father or if he doesn't want to (he can't tell her to have it or not, he just has to decide if he will be there as the father or not), this way a man's future isn't determined by the woman's decision just like a man can't determine a woman's future. This way men have the same rights to decide as a woman does and we can be closer to equality.

What do people think?

(I know it sounds harsh, people will say men know when they have sex the consequences of it and so on and so forth but so do women...you can't say women can do what they want then have options on the consequences and at the same time men have to pay for their actions without any options...and this ain't the so-called past where people get married then have kids and they decide as a couple, or at least according to the laws, it's a whole new world and you can't claim to be fighting for equality and at the same time tell men they have no choice).

By the way: I did like this film, 3 stars out of four and people should see it (glad when independent filmmakers get their films out their).

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Though I was a bit taken aback on how happy they both seemed to be after the abortion happened...it's just me maybe but I would be thinking about that child who I'd never know.

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What about the man's choice? The man in this movie didn't give any indication of being against the abortion. He didn't say a word to her to try to change her mind.

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