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I'm concerned about the directors' past emphasis on comedies


The writing-directing team has a sparse resume and they've only done a couple comedies. This is supposed to be an action-fantasy adventure with comedic elements. Hugh Grant is supposed to be the villain but I mainly remember him from romantic comedies. Chris Pine is solid but the rest of the cast is a bit underwhelming. I think D&D is even bigger than Lord of the Rings since there is so much lore that could be turned into big-budget trilogies.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2573008/dungeons-and-dragons-quick-things-we-know-about-the-chris-pine-movie

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Hugh Grant has being trying out different genres, and I actually like him better now than in the past. Chris Pine being involved in this at all is encouraging. Yeah, the directors did not do much, but Game Night was a good movie that was far better than it had any reason being.

It would not surprise me if the studio wants it to like a Marvel movie. Not that I mean it will be a superhero movie but it will have that kind of tone and humor.

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I prefer a serious tone in my action/adventure movies but I'm in the minority. My theory is that the success of Guardians of the Galaxy made Marvel push for more comedy in their movies. Spider-Man was always a jokester BUT a lot of the other heroes were more serious.

I was hoping for a D&D movie that would be similar in tone to LOTR, Immortals, GOT, Conan or even Ator. I'm not expecting much since they filmed it quickly and scaled it back due to covid.

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What's Ator?

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Miles O'Keefe did three Ator movies in the early to mid eighties and I thought the first two were solid. The third might have been a little weak overall. Some of the special effects were weak but I enjoyed the movies. After the success of Conan, a lot of lower-budget Conan knockoffs came out and this is one of the better efforts. There is a lot of hate for those movies so I expect a troll to disagree about Ator. Miles O'Keefe also did Sword of the Valiant with Sean Connery.

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I wouldn't mind a more serious movie either. But as long as the movie ends up good, it is what it is.

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Sometimes the funny people know their stuff, though. Consider Todd Phillips, who was mostly known for comedies before delivering in spades with Joker. As for Hugh Grant, he has a lot of range. He made his name with that charming, somewhat nervous character, but he's got more ability than that. Look to The Gentlemen, for instance.

The rest of the cast seem too contemporary for me. I'm not saying they can't overcome this, but Chris Pine and Michelle Rodriguez (admittedly, the only names I recognized on a glance) seem "modern". That might hurt their ability to transport me to a fantasy world. That said, I think they're both decent actors, and maybe it'll be okay.

But, the project as a whole might go towards the comedy-action blend popularized by Marvel films - as HarlemEagle42 already suggested. That said, if they do go for a full MCU type experience, there's so much D&D to cover that there's room to expand into more serious material if the audience enjoys a more "broad" entry point into the franchise. The flip-side, of course, is that if they perceive it as frivolous or derivative, they might not care enough to watch more.

Ultimately, "wait for a trailer" is the best idea. That will (should, anyway) give a sense of the tone and quality here.

Not sure what you mean by "bigger" than Lord of the Rings. Like, there's more of it? Probably. D&D has been continuously developed by multiple authors for decades, while Middle Earth only received three primary texts by JRR Tolkien and a handful of others edited by Christopher. But if you mean "better" or "richer" I might disagree. The opportunity for storytelling is certainly there, but the world of Arda and the lands of D&D have different purposes. Because Tolkien was trying to tell stories, they come with themes, characters, and the necessary beginning-middle-end. D&D was designed to let others tell stories, so more work needs to be done to craft meaningful tales (unless directly adapting from the numerous novels).

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Tolkien created a great world in Middle Earth but he was only one man. There were several authors who combined to write over 200 novels set in the various D&D realms. There were 55 Dragonlance novels and 64 Forgotten Realms novels. There were a lot of worlds featured in campaign modules and video games. Dragon magazine ran for a while and I believe that had some fiction. Middle Earth was cool BUT there weren't any dragons. The Dragonlance animated movie linked below was enjoyable but a live-action series might have rivaled LOTR.

https://youtu.be/H99J-XbKv2E ** Dragonlance animated movie **

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Again, numbers mean "bigger" but not "better". I've read a lot of Dragonlance, they don't touch Lord of the Rings for depth or complexity. The care and love Tolkien put into his world, combined with his genius (I don't use the word lightly) made Middle Earth a paragon of fantasy fiction. Can the same be said for all 64 Forgotten Realms novels?

Smaug wasn't a dragon? Glaurung? The army of dragons that attacks the Elven city of Gondolin? Dragons are crawling all over Middle Earth.

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I never said better but I personally think the potential is there for a superb D&D film that could eclipse the Middle Earth films. I can't comment on the D&D novels since I've only read a few.

I did forget about Smaug from the Hobbit but the dragons were not present in Lord of the Rings. Tiamat and Bahamut are two of the coolest D&D dragons and there were even dragon riders in the Dragonlance books. There is even a Dragonborn race in D&D.

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That was kind of what I was getting at was the ambiguity of the term "bigger" and the exact parameters of what you were talking about. Ultimately, I basically feel that Lord of the Rings - and Middle Earth more broadly - are incredible stories. It would be extremely difficult to outdo them, especially on "their terms" (ie, Medieval Europe-type fantasy), but I would be reluctant to say "impossible". So, I think I agree with you that a D&D series could outrun LOTR, but it would have an uphill battle there.

I did wonder if you were talking "no dragons in LOTR" moreso than Middle Earth.

The dragon riders are cool. I never really warmed to the Dragonborn. They just seemed like something a thirteen-year old boy would conjure up to be "the coolest race"... It was like, "I'm a ninja, but also I have magic spells, and a lightsabre," sort of thing. I know that's a hangup of mine, though, and plenty of people love them (and they could be done really, really well on TV or in a movie (although, they also could be handled really poorly)).

Side note: reading your other posts, I'm now looking up Ator, because I hadn't heard of those movies, and I like those kinds of movies. Thanks!

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Be more concerned that all modern movies are turned into comedies. They've been trying to make D&D into a laugh fest for many years. This ain't gonna be no LOTR adventure, and it sure as shit ain't gonna be a gritty barbarian flick from the 70s. It's gonna be an absolute Thor Ragnaork wank fest.

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Sincerity without irony is hard to come by these days. That makes creating epics like LOTR or Lawrence of Arabia difficult, and it makes it hard to do a straight-faced sword-and-sorcery flick like Conan. That earnestness does often make such efforts look silly, but worthwhile if done right. They've accomplished a lot on TV these days. I love stuff like The Last Kingdom and Knightfall.

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Have you seen the new trailer? This looks like FUN!

Isn't that what we are supposed to say? Good grief, I get so sick of these joke-a-minute marathons.

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I saw the trailer and it looks okay. It could work as a comedic heist movie. Chris Pine is pretty versatile BUT I have zero faith in Michelle Rodriguez. I've decided that I don't like Michelle Rodriguez' voice. Rodriguez' voice sounds really masculine and that might spoil the whole movie for me.

I've always thought that saving the world was serious business so there shouldn't be too many jokes. Women like comedy so a movie with jokes might attract more females.

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