Why JFK?


So there's been a question bugging me a bit. I'm Hungarian and I've never actually been to America, I just know a lot about it since most of the TV shows I like are made or were made in America, as well as a lot of music and literature I like and I could go on. I also happen to like the things that are about the civil rights era and the '60s, and true crime is one of my favourite themes for books, films or series. So of course I was interested in this show.
Anyways, I've always seen and heard that the whole nation - like literally the whole nation - got totally shocked by the assassination of John F. Kennedy and that parties were cancelled for months etc. And I know about some of the important things Kennedy did as a politician, so it's clear to me why a lot of people would mourn him, but since he stood for a lot of things that were at the time controversial - how dare he say that blacks aren't worth less than whites, for instance - I don't really get why the whole country would be so universally sad and desperate about the death of a single person. And it doesn't seem like a simple "celebrity dies and fans cry" situation, because it's a historical fact that the assassination was the big "where were you when that happened" event before 9/11. Even though we know how many assassinations happened those years, from Medgar Evers to Martin Luther King etc.
So dear American friends, maybe you can explain to me this whole thing so that I can understand it better. Why was the death of one person such a historically important event, why did people feel so close to him that they got affected by it as if they had lost a family member? I'm not being insensitive, I really am curious.

- marciel0

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I look at it from another angle. Why do people tolerate the existence of leaders? Are people so dumb that they need another person to tell them how to live their lives? Are followers just mindless sheep, and the leader is the only person with a brain? That's why this book doesn't make sense. It's like 200 million citizens are unable to do anything without that 1 guy who happens to be President.

I think this is one more reason Donald Trump is so popular. People are waking up to the fact that leaders are useless parasites who don't do much of anything, except line their pockets and lie to the masses.

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You should watch Scandal. :D

- marciel0

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Tolerate the existence of leaders? Are you an anarchist? People don't want leaders to tell them how to live their lives but elect them to ensure they have the opportunity to live their lives the way they choose.

And they weren't "unable to do anything" without him; it was about respect, it was about mourning a leader who died far too young and before he had the chance to impact the world.

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Let's say you and ten of your friends agree you should all build a house together for a place to live. So what next? The eleven of you "just build a house"?

Or should there maybe be one project manager to assign tasks and coordinate what everyone is doing so it gets built properly and efficiently?

Another way to look at it - across all of humanity's history we have documentation of great nations, causes, organizations, companies, and so on - in every case there's been a single leader (or small leading body, but usually an individual)

Number of massive human endeavors with no leadership structure whatsoever? Let me know if you think of any.

So what you are asserting is that *you* are smarter than the entire human race, because only *you* have seen the way to success without needing a coordinating figure.


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Philo's Law: To learn from your mistakes, you have to realize you're making mistakes.

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marciel0, that's a great question that those of us who lived through the assassination of JFK don't often (if ever) consider. Perhaps you've heard comparisons of the attacks of 9/11 to JFK's assassination (unless you are too young to have been socially aware of the impact of 9/11 in 2001, although I was only 10 years old in 1963). Both events had people sharing "where were you when...?" conversations. I don't have a real answer for you, but the president of the U.S. is a figure head; killing the president caused many to fear that society and the country and the world would devolve into nuclear war (a common fear at that time). Plus, he was youthful and very charismatic. Also, without instant social media at the time, his indiscretions with Marylin Monroe and others were not known. He was a hero and an idol.

There was a boy in my 5th grade class in 1963 who, when the teacher announced JFK's death, said aloud: "Yay!" I wish I had noticed the reactions of the class and/or the teacher, but I was only 10 and did not.

In contrast, my mother sat sobbing for days in front of the television watching the news shows replaying the motorcade footage. Seeing her now behaving the same way since the recent passing of my father, I suspect Kennedy represented husband, father, and son to many.

I am an academic librarian. If you want recommendations of books to read that might give you some insight into the social/psychic phenomenon surrounding JFK's assassination, just reply here, and I will find some.

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The boy who said "Yay", was he a bully? Were his family diehard Republicans? Do you remember anything about him other than that he said "Yay"?

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Maybe he was a bully or part of the family of Republican maniacs, or simply a typical stupid-ass 10 year-old. :D Kids do and say dumb things.

- marciel0

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The boy who said "Yay", was he a bully? Were his family diehard Republicans? Do you remember anything about him other than that he said "Yay"?
Maybe he was a bully or part of the family of Republican maniacs, or simply a typical stupid-ass 10 year-old. :D Kids do and say dumb things.
Perhaps all of the above were true about him. Several years later when I was a 14-year old girl, he happened to be sitting in front of me in class and turned around, stared at me for awhile, and said, "You have a mustache." I have some vague recollection of learning many years later that he died either by suicide or car accident.

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The funny thing is that 9/11 happened only 10 days after my 10th birthday. It was during the afternoon in our time zone that it all went down. I got home from school and found my grandma watching the news on TV - she occasionally came over to help out around the house since my mom was working on her second degree to make a better living for us - and I heard the words "World Trade Center" for the first time ever and I think for my generation, WTC automatically means 9/11, especially since everyone used the original English name for it, even me who didn't speak any English at the time (and even though its direct translation to Hungarian is also in use). I'm sure I couldn't understand how huge 9/11 was at the time, especially since we were far away from the US, but even I got that it was serious.
Thank you for your answer, I guess it does help me see it a little bit more clear. I suppose for my generation, thanks to social media and the continuing copycats of various school and other mass shootings, then the current ISIS terror that is going down only a few borders away from here - death and violence have become such unfortunate but well-known parts of daily life that it's just hard to comprehend all those countless depictions of people in 1963 weeping for a long time over the loss of a man they didn't even personally know.
And I'm sorry about your father. I wish you and your family the best.
Recommendations would be very welcome, thank you again.

- marciel0

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I'd be interested in those books on the psychological/social impact myself.
I'll post a few recommendations in the next day or two.

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I'd be interested in those books on the psychological/social impact myself.


This post (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2879552/board/flat/255667249?d=255733422#255733422) in this thread and others here succinctly describe why the assassination captured the psyche of the public.

Here are some books (not a comprehensive list or a "literature review") on the subject of why the U.S. (and the world) were so effected by the assassination of JFK (you can also search the book titles on Amazon or take them to your local bookstore if you want to purchase):

Book title: Covering the body: The Kennedy assassination, the media, and the shaping of collective memory
Libraries where book is available: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/25509524
Summary:
"Covering the Body (the title refers to the charge given journalists to follow a president) is a powerful reassessment of the media's role in shaping our collective memory of the assassination--at the same time as it used the assassination coverage to legitimize its own role as official interpreter of American reality. Of the more than fifty reporters covering Kennedy in Dallas, no one actually saw the assassination" --WorldCat


Book title: Dark Tourism
Libraries where book is available: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/505926102
"Chapter six discusses the Kennedy assassination and the sites commemorating it. It contends that the assassination and the US preoccupation with JFK is largely media-based. The description of JFK in the book as a “television president” is as true in his death as it was in his life. Certain televised images are firmly embedded in people’s minds even if they were not alive at the time of the assassination, thanks to the ongoing media preoccupation with JFK. The discussion builds on these thoughts by describing how media images are used at the memorial sites to evoke the emotions and to enable a greater understanding of the historical context in which the Kennedy assassination took place. This chapter also compares the memorial sites dedicated to the memory of JFK. It creates a matrix that compares sites in terms of “production” (celebration of Kennedy’s achievements) and “consumption” (reverence of his memory expressed through tourists’ behavior). The matrix offers some useful insights into the different ways dark tourism sites are developed." (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Wayne_Smith9/publication/256987023_Dark_Tourism_The_Attraction_of_Death_and_Disaster_By_John_Lennon_and_Malcom_Foley._Continuum_(The_Tower_Building_11_York_Road_London_SE1_7NX_UK._)_2000_viii184_pp_(figures_photos_references_index)_24.95_Pbk._ISBN_0-8264-5064-4/links/54edd3d60cf2e55866f17797.pdf)

Book title: Kennedy and Reagan : why their legacies endure / Scott Farris.
Libraries where book is available: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/854956941
WorldCat Summary:
"It's been more than fifty years since JFK's assassination and a quarter century since Ronald Reagan left the White House, yet the two men remain the beaux ideals of what the left and the right believe a president should be, and of how a president should look, sound, and act. But has popular memory, in service to contemporary causes, distorted what the legacies of each man actually are? Political historian Scott Farris offers a comparative biography that explores Kennedy's and Reagan's contemporaneous lives from birth until 1960, showing how the experiences, attitudes, and skills developed by each man later impacted his presidency. Tackling key issues of each president's time in office -- civil rights, religion, nuclear brinkmanship, etc. -- he also considers how their dealings around each issue compare and contrast. Finally, Farris provides an explanation for why the American public, pundits, and politicians consistently rank Kennedy and Reagan among the greatest presidents in history, while historians do not."


Book title: November 22, 1963 : reflections on the life, assassination, and legacy of John F. Kennedy /
Libraries where book is available: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/849801342
"Kirkus Review
A mostly reverential compendium of voices touched by the promise and spirit of John F. Kennedy's presidency--and the shock of his death. Keen observers of the president, members of his devoted staff, children of his advisers, civil rights leaders, eyewitness journalists and youth inspired by his brief, shining administration--all offer their concise statements and appraisals in veteran journalist Owen's collection"

Book title: John F. Kennedy and a new generation
Libraries where book is available: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/17983240
"An innocuous, short biography by the author of The Torch is Passed: The Kennedy Brothers and American Liberalism, 1984; Herbert Hoover, 1979; etc. ...If any thread holds this work together, it is Burner's attempt to paint some of the ways in which the Kennedy legend differed from reality..."--Kirkus Review

Book title: JFK, history of an image
Libraries where book is available: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/16833080
Start reading on page 41.

Book title: An unfinished life : John F. Kennedy, 1917-1963
Libraries where book is available: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/52220148
Start reading on page 701.

Articles with primary source interviews:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/11/jfk-50-years-later--where-were-you-when-jfk-was-assassinated
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/johnfkennedy/10450757/Where-were-you-when-Kennedy-was-shot.html

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I think some of it of course is because he was a world leader, the president and his death was shocking to everyone. How could it happen right in our faces, where was his security? It was a different time then and MLK wasn't killed until 1968. To be fair he wasn't as nationally loved by all as JFK was. Racism the 60's etc. For me it struck me that he was a leader trying to cause change, he was a young man with a lovely wife and small children and hadn't begun to live out his potential. He was on the cusp of something and we never got to see how that would turn out so as time has passed people have idealized what would have happened. Would there have been a war in Vietnam? How would the progress of the civil rights movement been affected? So many policies and possibilities would have been affected. Again we don't know if it would have been better it could have been worse, but the speculation that if he had lived would have made the US so much better keeps the idea going. It's the parlor game like they discussed in his classroom, what if you could kill Hitler and prevent the Holocaust? Save lives and make the world a better place? Kennedy died young and had so much promise and ideas of a better future, everyone continues the parlor game of what if...

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Thank you for your reply, you make good points.

- marciel0

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To the OP. He was young at the time of his death. It's a lot like why more people attend a childs funeral opposed to an elderly person.. They hate to see a young person's life cut short.


Politicians and diapers need to be changed for the same reason

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They hate to see a young person's life cut short.


I agree.

Also, the nation felt like the Kennedy family represented the best parts of being an American family. Jack was very handsome, especially in comparison to the men who had held office before him. Jackie was beautiful, graceful, young and she was fashionably styled. The first ladies before her were old and kind of frumpy in comparison.

We became very invested in them. Women dressed like Jackie, and looked to her as an example for motherhood. She was pregnant and raising two children in the White House. The video coverage of the family made us feel that we really did know them.

When Jackie miscarried, it was devastating to a lot of people. It's a tragedy everyone can relate to even if it has never happened to you. When her husband was shot so publicly, and she was seen in the gore splattered dress all day, it was hard to not empathize with her pain all over again.

We had had presidents who were assassinated before, but he was a young father who we had seen candidly playing with his children, and their home movies were seen by the entire nation (that was a first for our country). The presidents before him who had been murdered were not so intimately known to us.



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He was also the first "television president". This made him seem like he had come into your home during the election and then whenever you saw him on TV. In addition, he was really the first president born in the 20th century and didn't, at the time, have the burden of war on him when he took office, for a little while, anyway. He also threw down the challenge of the US landing on the moon, which was a very big deal in the 60s, after the Russians put the first satellite into orbit.

I look at it this way: if Obama had been assassinated in 2010, it probably would have been somewhat the same reaction in the country. Obama, like Kennedy, represented himself as a "new hope" for the US. There were plenty of people that hated Kennedy for what he stood for, just as there are people that hate Obama for the same thing. But both came into office as different kinds of presidents than had come before. Obama got two terms and many believe that he hasn't fulfilled the promises he made. Who knows if Kennedy would have fulfilled his promises? On 11/22/63, he was seen, for the most part, as a very good president who steered the US through the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile crisis, and came out the other side without a nuclear exchange with the USSR. We'll never know what kind of future we'd be living in if Kennedy had lived and had two terms. Would Nixon still have won in 1968 and then still have Watergate? Would people have been tired of Kennedy and shunned Bobby in 1968 causing Bobby not to be killed? LOTS of theories! Good question!




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9/11 was much more traumatic to me than JFK's assassination. That was one man. 9/11 was almost 3,000 people and I knew it meant war, a different kind of war.


Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and / or doesn't.

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9/11 was much more traumatic to me than JFK's assassination. That was one man. 9/11 was almost 3,000 people and I knew it meant war, a different kind of war.

9/11 was everything. Horrifying, scary, life altering, war starting. JFK was more the end of a dream, an idyllic life and ideas. Camelot, sailing off Hyannisport, playing touch football with the family, suburban houses, baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet.




“Willoughby, sir? That’s Willoughby right outside. It’s July. It’s summer. It’s 1888.”

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...JFK was more the end of a dream, an idyllic life and ideas. Camelot, sailing off Hyannisport, playing touch football with the family, suburban houses, baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet.


So true! My life pre-9/11 particularly the 1990s were a "dream" I wish I could go back to. Sadly that dream ended with 9/11 and like others I woke up to the harsh reality of the world around us...

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Yeah I was so blindly naive back then. I recall going to a tutorial session at a local primary school in Australia and our small class was talking about the terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers. A young girl studying to be a sports teacher exclaimed, "This means we're going to war!" I was taken aback at her remark and asked why she would think that. She then explained something like, "Coz Bush is President! And the Bushes are always for war! You'll see!" I shrugged her remarks off, but sure enough within a couple of years America went off to war. Suffice to say I woke up that day—in part thanks to that young girl!

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within a couple of years America went off to war.

More like a couple of months. When the USA is attacked, we always respond. Iraq though, was just a Dick Cheney dream that he was able to realize by convincing Bush to invade that country and start that long nightmare.



“Willoughby, sir? That’s Willoughby right outside. It’s July. It’s summer. It’s 1888.”

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Because to this day Lee Harvey Oswald is thought to Not have been the shooter (Lee was arrested and killed before even arriving at the county jail, and he could not have possibly made those shots from the building/vantage point he was in). So basically JFK was murdered by an unknown entity, and its never been seen solved. Most people do not think Oswald really killed JFK.

I was actually really disappointed that the show went the "lone gunman" route. I was hoping for some actually interesting JFK theories. No way was Oswald actually guilty. The only thing he did was live in belarus for a while, and because of the cold war, that made him suspicious (like now when terrorist= muslim in many people's minds).

To this day it is one of the biggest American mysteries, and its also sad that it seems we may not ever really know

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im thinking 1963 was only a year away from 1962, the time the closet brings you to after you pass through it. So the closest major historic event to alter would be the jfk assassination. martin luther king jr's death would be 6 years away. it would be difficult to wait that long.

I would do the small bets and collect the winnings until I can save up a small fortune for myself when i get back to the future...or if i wanna keep coming back i would live a wealthy life in the 60's for a few months, enjoy all the luxuries...come back to the present...nice vacation tool lol

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Because they were a young, good-looking couple. The closest thing America has ever been to a royal family.

The era was also one of optimism and prosperity, as well as the ever present fear of communism and nukes.

It was a "clean era", before the Vietnam war and the sexual revolution, so it has a lot of nostalgia connected to it.

And it was the start of the space race, all this contributed to the image of a perfect leader.

IMO Kennedy was a hyped and flawed leader, there are other leaders capable to handling, for example, the Cuban crisis better than forcing the issue until it was "cross this line and we are at war" with the soviets.

Kennedy also used drugs and slept around (M. Monro was one of his mistresses) and many historians claim he also had shady connections to mobsters.

The couple didn't even share the same bedroom anymore, this is evident in various documentaries, focusing on his last days.

The Kennedy clan was and probably is very powerful and isn't an example of good ethics, they are filthy rich, always was.

So there is the myth, and then there is reality.
Myths tend to get stronger as time flies, in relation to the boring truth.

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I mean...we're not exactly the best group to ask about that since it happened over 40 years ago but any time a President, the person known literally as the "leader of the free world" is murdered, it's a shocking feeling for our nation and people. JFK was a good president but the biggest regret people have about him is what he MIGHT have done if he hadn't been killed, like his likely intention to pull out of Vietnam by 1965 thereby preventing the majority of the Vietnam war then again, maybe if he hadn't been killed there wouldn't have been the national sympathy that allowed the Voting Rights Act to get passed.

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