This movie had some good hype too, so I watched it - was okay, some convos impressed me, but 8.7 movie experience? Not even close.
Every time I watch a turkish/indian movie with false ratings like this one, it lessens the chance I will watch another. I really wish people would understand that by rating movies with a bias, they're only really doing themselves a disservice.
When people complain about bias, you can bet they mean someone else's bias, not their own.
The underlying suggestion of your post is that Turkish audiences rate films from their own country too high out of chauvinist pride. But this film received international critical acclaim, winning the Palme d'Or at Cannes. Feel free to include the international Cannes jury in your accusation of bias, in only a bias towards quality art house films.
That does not change the fact that news outlets in Turkey specifically pumped and linked an IMDb upvote campiagn
shareNot many Turkish people likes NBC films because they are too much deep, slow and long for general audiences. They don't even make money!
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=5844404
by axellennox » Mon Jan 5 2015 02:31:43 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Not many Turkish people likes NBC films because they are too much deep, slow and long for general audiences. They don't even make money!I thought they would LOVE IT because of the NBC logo itself.
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=5844404
You are implying that Turks have a tendency to bloat the ratings of Turkish movies just because they are Turkish, yet you have offered absolutely no evidence to back up your absurd claim. I am personally based in Turkey and watch just about any Turkish film when it comes out in DVD because I send them to a friend who lives abroad. That said, I will rarely rate a Turkish film higher than a 6, as I feel they lack in several areas. However, I happily gave Winter Sleep a 9; as I feel it is one of the finest films of 2014. It has nothing to do with it being a Turkish film. In fact, as someone has already pointed out, Ceylan's movies are hardly popular here in Turkey. Most of his films won't even screen for more than two weeks, including his last two 'popular' works. I have a feeling that a film that won the best movie award at Cannes Film Festival would probably speak to the audience in more ways than an average film, which leads me to believe most people who gave this one a good rating were not Turks but cinema fans from all corners of the world.
shareWith all respect, this poster must share much of the sentiments expressed by the OP, above. This movie ultimately had near glacial pace and a screenplay which drifted all over the place, in a haze of mostly meaningless, and far too verbose irrelevance.
On finishing the subtitled movie, my eyes felt like they'd just read half the telephone directory, and brain was little more educated than if I had!
Don't get me wrong, this poster is not the 'car chase, and loud bangs' type. I'm a great fan, for example, of Rohmer's verbosity. The late Eric Rohmer was cinema's master of verbosity. He is still, in other words, the undisputed king of narrative driven cinema, and curiously too, one of the few directors to hardly ever use music in his films. Nonetheless, in Rohmer's movies, it is certainly fair to say that little is said which doesn't at least add to his greatest movies' overall development. In contrast, one could fall asleep, half way through this movie, and wake up half an hour later, yet still miss little which substantively made much difference to the movie's complete story!
At the movie's *eventual* (...!) end, it was hard to make head or tail of any of it. Nor did one particularly care. For one example of many I could add now, the scene where the hotel's proprietor threw up at its end, made little sense nor added much to the movie's overall progress. Moreover, said scene could have been condensed to under two minutes and still, anything of relevance to the overall movie would've been well said and done, that is to say, in far shorter time without all the nonsense dialogue which wasted so many minutes.
In some respects, it's a wonderful movie: Its pluses are undoubtedly the exceptionally beautiful camera-work, first class direction, acting and, I must admit, this poster's favourite Schubert piano work. But even these elements, when added together, *still* do *not* compensate for an unforgivably pedestrian, and uncompelling screenplay; indeed, its meandering screenplay was both unengaging and, dare I say it - thoroughly boring.
So it's an '8/10' for Direction, Acting, & photography. But this poster submits that it deserves only 4/10 for its screenplay.
Recommended? Certainly not.
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Sandwiched between The Principle of Mediocrity & Rare Earth Theory, you should see The Fermi Paradox
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They also like to down rate films they are politically not aligned to. Or in which they just have hate for.
For example, a Kurdish documentary, has more 1/10 votes than 10/10, something I've never seen before.. The reviews of the documentary are heavily pounded too. I can understand you may not have enjoyed it, but I can't believe more people who don't like the subject are interested to see it than those who actually DO.. Also I'm pretty sure most of them who have down-voted it haven't even seen it.
:)) You need to know CINEMATIC language in order to appreciate Nuri Bilge Ceylan's work...
until then Please go and watch TRANSFORMERS or SPIDERMAN...
Which is why you can never see that sort of films winning anything at the Cannes Film Festival:)
and cinematic language has nothing to do with being indian or turkish or chinese...
a good art is a good art everywhere...
and hes not really a popular director in Turkey either...
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Are you implying that someone who like transformers or spiderman cannot like Ceylan or any art movie? Are you implying that people cannot make the difference between an entertaining movie and an artistic exhibition of cinema? That is very pretentious of you to think that.
:)) You need to know CINEMATIC language in order to appreciate Nuri Bilge Ceylan's work...
until then Please go and watch TRANSFORMERS or SPIDERMAN...
Which is why you can never see that sort of films winning anything at the Cannes Film Festival:)
and cinematic language has nothing to do with being indian or turkish or chinese...
a good art is a good art everywhere...
and hes not really a popular director in Turkey either...
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Even if I dissaprove what you think! I will defend your right to say it!
You are correct Destiny, Turkish movies are backed up from a lot of false ratings due to the stupid nationalists/fascists who things if they rate better a movie of their country they make them feel they are somebody, but at the end they just make us laugh of their third world pettiness.
sharealthough the OP is right in a general sense, I don't think it applies to NBC films. this is arthouse cinema -so they call it- and nobody in Turkey ever watches this sort of films.
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