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Why do we love the bad guy ?


This show just continues the age-old tradition of bad guy films and our love affair with them. This genre has always seemed to
grab the interest of the public in ways few other genres have. As far back as the 30's when the likes of Cagney, Robinson, and Bogart were portraying the gangster we all loved, to the Pacino, DeNiro,and Pesci of today the intrigue and adoration for these characters go unabated. In Narcos the focus on Escobar is exponentially engrossing because of the enormous wealth and international dimensions he was to achieve, then given the political ramifications of the story and the plot becomes almost surreal in quality. After watching the first four episodes, I have grown to love Moura's portrayal for its simplicity and economy of manners. Watching him as he lifts his belt buckle, a mannerism I assume the real Pablo might have had, indicates his everyman nature and decisiveness. The ruthlessness is masked by the apparent calm that is consistently displayed by Moura in most crucial moments. Unquestionably the actor has captured the essence of the character and elevated himself in the process. Consequently, the bad guy once again reigns and we the public continue to love it as we witness the rise and fall that emerges.


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I don't always love the bad guy. I didn't root for Walter White or Tony Soprano even though I enjoyed them.

In this case, in the early episodes it just felt like the DEA was there sticking its nose in where it didn't belong. What business is it of theirs if Pablo is in Congress? Is it really so much better for drug dealers to buy politicians rather than be one? The end result is the same. And all these politicians taking noble stances against him aren't even remotely addressing the perfectly valid points he was raising about the poor.

Plus, the voice over exaggerating the dangers of cocaine use (yes, the violence surrounding it is real but OD'ing on cocaine is rare and it is less addictive than tobacco). Cocaine shouldn't even be illegal.

Sure, midway through and Pablo's killing politicians for what is very clearly personal vendetta he is no longer worth rooting for. But the early episodes I tended toward his side.



You know it's funny. If those teeth were in your vagina you'd be a monster.

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Maybe by the way these people think? The things they do are so out of our logic that we can't begin to think about doing them, so to see people who actually do these things and not care sparks some curiosity thing inside us?

I don't know to be honest, people are drawn to them for all sorts of reasons, they are often more entertaining than the protagonist and set in motion many of the plot-points too, so I guess the fact they are more interesting to more people is another factor.

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Alexander the great is worshiped yet killed hundreds of thousands if not millions, just cause he felt like it. ('to spread greek culture as they now say') So did Ghengis Khan who at least had a better excuse in that if he didn't lead his army to conquer, they would just start fighting each other again. Then there is Caesar who killed 1 million german tribesmen mainly for the money and glory it would get him in Rome. Napoleon did the same thing, killing hundreds of thousands in Russia, just cause they wouldn't back him. Stalin killed millions, still worshipped as a strongman in Russia.

It goes on and on. People only respect strength, not spirituality or wisdom or knowledge.

Pablo Escobar was a strong man, and that in itself is the only thing required for people to respect him and want to be like him.

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Because there is no good guy. I enjoy seeing Pablo one up the corrupt repulsive American government just as much as I want to see him die. Both sides are full of evil. One side is just marginally better at hiding it (the us gov)


I hate jokes that rely on visual imagery. I've had it right up to here with them.

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There is a very clear formula in many of (all?) of these Sopranos/The Wire/Breaking Bad shows, and that is to play around with neutrality, try to make "bad guys" as relatable as possible, while giving good guys some vices that may equalize them. Still, like in the wire (or breaking bad...maybe even the sopranos at the end), usually the authoritative force wins at the end. the ending to the wire did something cool where the main "villain" barely even faced any reprecussions, though was stripped of his status

I did end up feeling a bit for Pablo as a human being, did not hate him. But when i found out many of these bombings really happened, and that he wasnt just a smuggler, that he was completely terrorizing the country that he loved so much, i couldnt respect that. I feel worse for Gustavo probably. Considering the things the real Pablo did, they could only make him so likeable. I feel, whether likeable or not, from seeing documentaries and such, he is depicted fairly accurately.

The only person i had a problem with was the DEA main character, for some reason his mustache was bothering me for all 10 episodes. It just looked peeled on lol. And mind you, i am no stranger to True Detective, and Mathew Mcconaughey's mustache didnt bother me once. Something about it just seemed fake.

Other than the mustache, i actually really enjoyed this season of Narcos. Not quite as good as Fargo (probably my fav drama right now), but def close!

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I did end up feeling a bit for Pablo as a human being, did not hate him. But when i found out many of these bombings really happened, and that he wasnt just a smuggler, that he was completely terrorizing the country that he loved so much, i couldnt respect that. I feel worse for Gustavo probably. Considering the things the real Pablo did, they could only make him so likeable. I feel, whether likeable or not, from seeing documentaries and such, he is depicted fairly accurately.



the only time I felt a little for dude as a human being was when he was kicked out of congress. every other time he was merely a drug lord until he became a repulsive sociopathic terrorist. I didn't give a *beep* about how much he loved his wife or kids. most villains tend to love their loved ones so there's nothing really commendable about that.







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What I really liked about this series is that to me non of the main characters are portrayed as pure 'good' or 'bad' guys. They're all believable characters with human flaws.

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Most people envy that a poor man was able to accomplish so much and be above the rules. Once upon of time I wanted to be Pablo escobar, I had the money, women, material things. But what really got me was getting away with it, and being above the rules that others follow in their boring lives. Sure I roughed up people along the way, but let's be honest here, it wasn't like I went after saints. Everyone involved knew what they were into. And I was able to influence things and help by helping people when laws failed them like when my friend was raped and the police did nothing about it. I funded charities and threw some amazing parties for everyone on my dime. But that life is not sustainable, you either died or you went to jail. With me posting you can guess what happened to me.

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People are interested because they know for a fact he was killed in the end and he suffered, it wouldn't have that much interest if he was still alive.

Personally, as I was watching, I wanted all those gangsters to be die a violent and torturous death. I guess I was only somewhat sympathetic to the Cali cartel members as they were interested in money, not so much the violence, at least in contrast.

Who I hate equally are all the supporters and family members of those bastards, I hope they suffer a lot and it's a shame some of them are still alive, it would be a good day if their genetic traits were completely wiped from earth.

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