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Why do we love the bad guy ?


This show just continues the age-old tradition of bad guy films and our love affair with them. This genre has always seemed to
grab the interest of the public in ways few other genres have. As far back as the 30's when the likes of Cagney, Robinson, and Bogart were portraying the gangster we all loved, to the Pacino, DeNiro,and Pesci of today the intrigue and adoration for these characters go unabated. In Narcos the focus on Escobar is exponentially engrossing because of the enormous wealth and international dimensions he was to achieve, then given the political ramifications of the story and the plot becomes almost surreal in quality. After watching the first four episodes, I have grown to love Moura's portrayal for its simplicity and economy of manners. Watching him as he lifts his belt buckle, a mannerism I assume the real Pablo might have had, indicates his everyman nature and decisiveness. The ruthlessness is masked by the apparent calm that is consistently displayed by Moura in most crucial moments. Unquestionably the actor has captured the essence of the character and elevated himself in the process. Consequently, the bad guy once again reigns and we the public continue to love it as we witness the rise and fall that emerges.


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I don't get your post. Since the beginning I always hoped that Escobar would get killed or put in jail.

If you are saying that Moura's portraying of Escobar would somehow make him more "likable", it didn't work with me.

"And he who controls the battlefield, controls history."

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I guess you're not as morally corrupt as I am ? Escobar is obviously an abhorrent individual and I didn't mean to minimize the crimes he committed, but these qualities or lack of make him a compelling individual. My point was that bad guys have always held that allure despite their villainous nature to enthrall their audience. Moura, to his credit, has captured that brilliantly and despite the hideous events portrayed, the audience as always is engrossed with the character. Is Pablo Escobar a likeable individual, I think not, but captured in film his life makes for extremely interesting drama, as bad guys always have.

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And I'm rooting for the Colombian police.

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So you're also rooting for the bad guys... In the end with this movie there is no one that is innocent... Pablo is a crook... the Colombian police are crooks... the DEA agents are crooks (maybe not executing people but providing information they know will lead to an execution and has no possibility of an arrest)... Sorry but everyone in the show is dirty.

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How are all the Colombian police crooks? Carrillo is a hero and the Colombian police are the ones who ultimately killed Escobar!

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They're bad too

THEY SHOOTIN'! ah, i made you look.

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They're bad too


Yeah, that's why they're the ones who finally killed Pablo.

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What's your point?

THEY SHOOTIN'! ah, i made you look.

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Dude, you don't have to explain yourself again. Guy that replied just wanted to piss you off.

For me its Tony Soprano.

For many many others it was Walter White.

I personally get drawn in by the dedication of the actor to the role. Gandalfini owned that role. I think the other half are drawn in by the story itself.

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Those are fictional characters you mentioned. Escobar was a real life criminal who is responsible for the murder of hundreds of people.

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Your point is absolutely right. Escobar was a real life criminal and no one in their right mind should be emotionally attached to him. For me personally, I am absolutely disgusted with scenes showing Escobar and his family, especially after he committed all those atrocious crime. That was definitely the definition of psychopath there.

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he wouldnt have gotten mean if do gooder nanny types would have left him alone. this whole mantra of "drugs are bad" is just ridiculous

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This is where you leave me confused, Pablo Escobar was responsible for hundreds of deaths of people being healthy, while the governments kills millions pr year with palm oil, fast food, and tapioca being a legal food for human beings, or in the food of animals people eat.

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It's easier to hate the things that are convenient to hate. Honestly, which takes less effort: getting upset about a TV show about a man who died 20+ years ago or issues that are so complex that can't be casually demonized in a sound-bite?

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Palm oil kills ?

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he is likeable. only anti drug nerds made him unlikeable. leave him alone and the guy wouldnt have had to waste people

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You miss the point. Psychopathic criminals like that will always make mistakes and mistakes mean lots of dead innocent people. If you watched the show, you'd know that he had no need to shoot down the airplane, he just wanted to show his power.

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Haven't got to that part of the show yet but having read a few Books and documentaries about him, Escobar didn't shoot down Avianca Flight 203 to show power. He planned the bombing, hoping it would kill presidential candidate for the 1990 elections CĂ©sar Gaviria Trujillo, but he wasn't on the plane. The same man who would eventually be President of Columbia at the time Escobar was killed.

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agreed ... from Tony Soprano, Vic Mackey, Nucky thompson, Walter WHite, etc.. to today's Hannibal Lecter(Mikkelsen), Ray Donovan, John Rayburn, Thomas Shelby, etc... We cant help it but to root for the bad guy, goddamn TV is just to good nowadays!!

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Because we feel morally better when we see someone else doing much worse bad things than ourselves, so we can say to ourselves that I'm not so bad when I lie, cheat, smoke the pot and drugs that Pablo and drug dealers use to kill people that we condoned their murders by being accomplices by using their drugs, run a red light by committing a misdemeanor crime, then say, compared to Pablo and other villains I'm not so bad.

Then go on to make your position to say, I'm rooting for the good guys which negotiate with criminals like Whitey Bulger and Mafia Rats to allow them immunity to murder and drug deal, while the good guys make you believe their on the side of the people, when their really on the side of their own corrupt agenda to do whatever's necessary to get a win, no matter the stakes.

The mission of the law to go after the biggest drug dealers is just there to fulfill the mission of politicians so they can build a name for themselves. Therefore we get on our moral high horse of self-righteousness and naively believe the guys with white hats don't sometimes where a black hat. Rooting for good or bad is just choosing to go to war, whereas war has no moral grounds but only killing grounds on both sides, for one to wipe out the other.

There is no dignity or justice in war when families and innocent people become casualties, just your desire to choose the good side to fight without you having to see the atrocities that goes with war, so you wash your hands of any guilt or shame and feel better when someone else does your dirty work for you. Does that sound familiar? Like with the episode Pablo gave to his soldier to blow up the plane when the good guys declared war. So, if you root for the good guys to declare war, expect repercussions of the innocent, which you have blood on your hands because you want justice. I want justice, but at least I know the price I must pay with people lives to get it, where it may take thousands of lives to be sacrificed just to get the one bad guy from destroying the world and taking it over.

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its not about good and bad, you will feel connected to a human being when you see him being a loving and protective husband, loving son to his mother, and protective to his children. Its a trick writers use to connect you with a character who you will usually see as bad, just as long as he takes care of his family , you see how much he cares for his friends, such attributes are things you value and will connect you to a character.

you also saw see escobar being a true entrepreneur by being a visionary and putting together a smart scheme that turns him from a nobody to incredible wealth, there is something about that touches the human spirit, and might get you to like him more.
or the fact that he is seen as an outsider by the politicians and the outsider trumps the insiders, there is something about the david and goliath phenomenon that humans always admire

and escobar always makes every action to protect himself and his empire, to do so he will take it farther than his rivals, and that is what always keeps him ahead, there is something about that commitment to winning that may get you to like him too.

its not about good or bad, the moment we show you one character human side you are hooked.

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In this particular case, we root for Escobar because he was the good guy. A simple, self made man who never did anything to anybody other than sell goods to people that wanted to buy them. The bad guys were the Americans, the Communists, and the Colombian Oligarchs, all of whom attacked Escobar first and forced him to commit acts of extreme violence in order to defend himself.

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I agree, many people of the law is breaking the law upon suspicion.

Showing a complete lack of understanding of the categorical imperative.

In which is sad for humanity itself.

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That's the biggest *beep* only Pablo's naive old mother would believe; Pablo was a gangster, and the only way he got up there was because he was willing to be more evil than the devil, if they kill your friend or rob you, you would have to kill their whole family and burn everything to the ground. The guy only trafficked drugs because there was money involved, nothing else, and to get money and power he was willing to kill anyone who had it, or who stood on his way. The key to his power was classic terrorism, to intimidate others, that's why he killed in the gruesome manner he did and let everyone know. He was a bully from the very start. He was an alpha dog, maybe cute when you are in high school and you aren't really hurting anyone but a few girls hearts, but very damn bad when in your greed you don't give a damn if hundreds of innocent people are burned.

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You're just messing with us, correct? You can't possibly believe he "WAS the good guy", who, initially, was innocently selling wanted goods to people. He was threatening, with violence, those and their families who couldn't be bribed. His original motto was "silver or lead?", remember?

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I think that's a given here. Escobar is definitely a lot more appealing than our 'hero" agent Murphy, both character and acting-wise.

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Oh you are right about that. His egotistical portrayal has been a huge turn off for me liking this character of Murphy. I' am however loving Wagner as Pablo. Great series so far.

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America loves gangsters.

I was with pablo til around halfway through the season. Then he started acting too crazy.

THEY SHOOTIN'! ah, i made you look.

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I like it,another story
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The fascination is not with bad / good guy. The fascination in a world that is doing less and less themselves is that of the person doing something; anything really.

The sexual polarity in the relationship between Pablo Escobar and his Maria Victoria is also something very few people experience, but many people would like for themselves.

And remember Pablo Escobar was really Robin Hood until he was made into a martyr; by the act of being thrown out of the government. While Columbia was immasculated all the time by the US making them not being souvereign.

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That's ColOmbia.

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Pablo's political ambitions and giving his own money away to the public was a scheme to legitimize his illegally gained empire. A distract, nothing more. That ass hole didn't give a crap about anyone other than his own family and his business.


And that makes him different from any other politician how?



You know it's funny. If those teeth were in your vagina you'd be a monster.

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Dude its not just films, plenty of women write to famous murderers in jail

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