Movie ending


I watched this the other day.

I have an issue with the ending

For most of the movie we see the characters in the past (T-1). However, towards the end the focus shifts to the present. Therefore her message on the window at the end would not have made any difference......unless in some alternative reality.

It was a really good movie though

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For most of the movie we see the characters in the past


What makes you say that they were in the past?

That wasn't my interpretation, when I saw it.

I agree with you that her plan at the end involved taking a massive risk despite her having no evidence that it might work, even in theory, let alone in practice.





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It would be the equivalent stupidity of a character in a movie killing themselves because they suddenly believe they will come back alive in another body and correct a mistake, even though they have no proof of this and the idea is just plain stupid.

The only explanation is she had finally gone insane at the end.


Oh okay so you're comparing her to the wife in Inception

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she might have been discovered in the past and gone back to change it, it is possible.

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If that was the case and it had worked she would not know that she did it.

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This bothered me a lot. It seemed she did not understand the mechanics of how this worked. She kept saying towards the end when Finn discovered her, about how she basically was changing THE PAST, ie, making him forget about having seen the pictures (with her and Jasper). "Tomorrow none of this will matter." This really confused me.

Edit: ok, I see now... by writing herself a note today, should would receive it yesterday, which would allow her to make different decisions today (like making sure Finn does not discover her, or not getting caught by the window). That assumes you can change the past. (The getting caught had to do with Finn catching her, not Big Joe, she had no knowledge of that yet.)

Whether this would be effective at changing the present, depends on how you look at the universe. Her changing the past might have created a separate time line, in addition to the present one; the current one continues as normal, but the new modified time line contains the new and improved decisions. This would not have helped her case.

However, there is a scene where a picture changes, because of them having made different decisions. So I think the implication is there is only 1 time line, and if you can somehow change the past, you can change the time line, it will just ripple through in-place, like that changing picture.

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No picture changes. Callie swaps photos, but the photos themselves didn't change.

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Exactly. Here's the kicker. The friend that showed up the night before showed the next day photo to Finn and Jasper. Callie never saw it. She saw police tape, but not the photo from earlier. Also these photos are a one second glimpse of whatever is within that view. Had she seen that photo she would know that there was no messages on the window. As we saw it fall and she was being chased by police. Nothing she could have known ahead of time because she wasn't in frame during the moment the photo was snapped.

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She lost touch with reality from One: This false power trip of her sending herself messages and stealing the other ones from before to make sure certain things happened. And just like Jasper completely lost it and went from being an obnoxious, slightly shady gambler he turned into a serial killer. She lost it, and THOUGHT she could change things and actually go into the past. It was never about time travel, it was about showing the future. Both Jasper and her lost their minds due to the machine taking hold of them and the pills Jasper was taking all the time (which probably had a lot to do with him losing it and continuing to kill people and be violent) it helped with her losing with touch in reality because he gave her pills sometimes and gave her a pill the night before she thought she could change the past and not get caught by the window and never have Finn know she had an affair.

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I think considering how confused and disoriented she was by the end, she had her days and prompts messed up. She thought she was supposed to hold up the sign instead of act out the message? Or maybe things were advancing too quickly for the machine to have contemplated? Why did she think that tomorrow would be no problem if she just held the sign up? I think she just went cray cray at the end.

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I believe this to be mostly correct. It did switch from the view of message reader to that of message writer. Up to that point she wasn’t trying to change anything. More like guiding. But her last note would have created a paradox. She would not have got caught in the window. So she would never leave herself the note saying "don't get caught in the window." Time corrected itself by having Joe show up and the wind blowing the note. But she should have known that by the crime scene tape photo.


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there are two time lines past and future thats because when you get to the photo point and act out the photo in the past you then see the picture.

They act out the pictures 24 hours later because they believe they should not change time as they risk a possible death if they do.

The guys were following time leading to copying the pictures she was not she was altering time how she wished.

up till the picture is taken anything can happen. if she was successful in leaving the picture up at 8am then 24hrs before she would find the picture and plan what to do however 24hrs later she would still put up the picture but would not be caught doing so and time would progress she would have still put the picture up because she would have to follow old photo.
ways to achieve that would be ask her boyfriend to go out for something or slap the picture on and go talk to your boyfriend or stick a message on the back of a book and pretend to read it however as there is two timelines the future line would continue with a dead boyfriend and pal and the old one would continue with her bf.

The future line would be getting a picture of 12 hours ahead containing just herself and the old line would get a picture of her and her boyfriend.

What makes no sense is why she would leave the blood on the window and hang the sign 12 hours before the evening picture was due first thing would be deal with the bodies or clean the blood and straight away and close the blind.

nice film reminds me of timecrimes primer and triangle

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I think she put the note up because it was going to take a new one soon since we now know it takes them in the morning to (no idea what time it was but maybe it was before 8? if not then no idea why either)

And if it was going to take it soon then my bet is she would have cleaned the window to then waited so the last image meant nothing (with the cop tape)

Now im not sure of that part about the tape but since it takes 2 images i guess she could change what happens without them knowing so the 1st image wasn't of what it was before she changed it

My guess is it does happen like this since she knew the cop tape was up and it wasn't up when joe came (around the time the new image would show up of her changing evrerything thus the cop tape didn't happen anyways)

That is the only thing i can think of cause if it isn't that then she knew something was off since the cop tape was up and it wasn't when joe came (thus her note/new image didn't happen)

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I don't think they switched.
The note was always written it just fell and was on the floor the whole time. I saw it as she always went mad killed him then tried to change it but Joe always saw her and the picture always fell on the floor. That is why the 8pm photo showed crime scene tape. I never saw a time shift just emphasis on the paradox. None of this would have happened if they didn't look at the picture from the day before.

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That's about right. It didn't matter if she stuck the sign up or not according to this film and it was said many times, you can't mess with time. The photo had already been created without the sign for that date. She started to believe her own lie by switching out the photos.

In reality and proven by quantum physics is that the universe is infinite. Where the infinitely large is echoed in the infinitely small. This means that everything, anything and nothing is possible and is existing in just one moment - all that exists is the now based on past events and the future is pure possibility. The singularity is all that exists and we are a holographic representation of the singularity. An interesting thing with this theory and people with OCD will love, everything you do affects everything else. Like the butterfly effect. Breathe and you can cause a ship to run aground. Its possible in an infinite universe or is it an infini-verse (Universe = one word = In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God). This means you can be the change you want to see in the world and actually see the change manifest. It also means that time is illusory. It also means that one can incarnate at any point in any timeline regardless of if that timeline even exists. We are the only ones here, everyone else is merely sharing your experience. Everyone else is the only ones here themselves and you are sharing their experience. When you think of something you have manifest it, it can be as real as you want it in your minds eye. In fact when you dream things can become so vivid it is like your real life and you can actually build your vision in 3D Holographic reality. Here's a paradox for you, what if your real life is actually only a dream?

Films like this, Predestination, The Butterfly Effect and Interstellar are all great in thinking on different levels :)

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Its possible in an infinite universe or is it an infini-verse (Universe = one word = In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God).


I liked what you wrote up until that point. 

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Here's a paradox for you, what if your real life is actually only a dream?


That's not a paradox, it's a puzzle. Really, it's not even a puzzle, it's a bit of mental masturbation. It's a question that's been posed before by every college sophomore with a bong, a philosophy 101 textbook, and a profound over-estimation of their own intellectual maturity.



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The ending is (as explained in the reply) "not" broken.
She couldn't know she gets caught at the window, no matter how you spin it.

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The ending is completely broken.


No, it isn't.

Her note about not getting caught isn't to warn herself about being seen by the cop, it's to warn herself not to get caught by Finn. Remember, she had to confess her whole plan after he catches her posing at the window for the 8am photo. She thought that if she could prevent herself from being caught by him, everything would be fine between them.


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Ohhh thanks for explaining I totally missed that somehow

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Exactly, as she tries to tell him (Finn) when talking about fixing all the mess.

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I agree with this it didn't matter if she got seen by the cop or taken to jail as long as her note stayed up none of this would have happened so it would have worked out fine

This is why she let him in and said what she said that none of this will matter tomorrow because her note would have changed everything before finn seen her at the window

The only thing she cared about was that the note was up to change it all back

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I agree with this it didn't matter if she got seen by the cop or taken to jail as long as her note stayed up none of this would have happened so it would have worked out fine


Except that it never would have worked because you can't change things once they've already happened.


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By her logic you could (not sue if she tried this same thing before in her other notes or not) but if she did then she could change things once they already happened we just didn't know because she was changing them in the morning (and we didn't know this till the end)

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By her logic you could (not sue if she tried this same thing before in her other notes or not) but if she did then she could change things once they already happened we just didn't know because she was changing them in the morning (and we didn't know this till the end)


It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they intentional did NOT write one of the notes to themselves after the camera had already taken a photo of it.


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I have an issue with the ending

For most of the movie we see the characters in the past (T-1). However, towards the end the focus shifts to the present. Therefore her message on the window at the end would not have made any difference......unless in some alternative reality.


By the end, Callie had gone a little crazy. She thought that she could change what had already happened by sending a message into the past.

Basically her reasoning goes a little like this (I just made up the days);

At 8am Monday morning, the camera takes a photo showing what will happen at 8am Tuesday morning. It shows an empty apartment with blood on the window. When Tuesday morning comes, Callie is unhappy with how things have turned out. She thinks that if she writes a warning to herself and puts it in the window for 8am, it will retroactively appear in the Monday morning photo. She will then have seen the warning on Monday, known to do things differently and the current Tuesday will cease to exist. It would be instantly replaced by a new Tuesday where Callie had received the warning.

The problem is that she's working from a flawed premise. Monday's photo already exists, it can't be changed. No matter what she wants to do or how she tries to change it, the events of Tuesday morning will always match whatever is shown in Monday's photo. She was always going to write the note and it was always going to fall down. The note existed in the Monday morning photo, it had just already fallen down out of sight when the photo was taken, just like it did at the end.


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I watched this the other day.

I have an issue with the ending

For most of the movie we see the characters in the past (T-1). However, towards the end the focus shifts to the present. Therefore her message on the window at the end would not have made any difference......unless in some alternative reality.

It was a really good movie though


The ending has been bugging me too.

1) Even if the girl got her note to stay up, how was she going to see it? I may have misunderstood something so this may not really be a problem.

2) If she could experience things then write a note to avoid experiencing them in the past, why didn't she save the roommates from the gangsters? On her first trip through time, she'd have discovered the silhouette peeking through the window wasn't Jasper after all. She could have warned herself the next morning. Right?

No two persons ever watch the same movie.

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The camera takes two photos. One at night and one in the morning. By keeping this a secret Danielle Panabaker's character basically controls her own destiny.

By routinely posting notes to herself everyday at a specific time, she created a direct way of communicating with her future self. In other words, today essentially becomes yesterday's future.

The last photo (The hat and blood on the wall) was taken a week in advance as explained by Dr. Heidecker who received it in the mail.

No matter what Danielle Panabaker's character did it wouldn't change the outcome in the window (The hat and blood on the wall).

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By routinely posting notes to herself everyday at a specific time, she created a direct way of communicating with her future self. In other words, today essentially becomes yesterday's future.

From all the mind-blowing (and good) theories in this thread, this seems to be the most reasonable short explanation of what was going on.

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id have to rewatch some of this but this can't be right

Because we know she did change something already at least once from the other images

BUT i kind of agree with that in a way to since what she changed could still lead to this and she just didn't know it yet (would have been next image)

People asking why she just didn't change it so the cop never seen her...

Because she couldn't until the next image and since the cop took her away she can't really change something if she isn't there to change it :D

If her note that was on the window would have stayed up then the cop would have never seen her in the first place (as far as we know it could have changed to were he did we never will know)

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Because we know she did change something already at least once from the other images


No we don't .. which images are you referring to that show she already changed things??

If her note that was on the window would have stayed up then the cop would have never seen her in the first place (as far as we know it could have changed to were he did we never will know)


The note about not getting caught in the window is in reference to being caught by Finn and has nothing to do with the policeman.

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Every image she hide she acted out so she changed things

I know it isn't about the cop but if it would have worked then there would never have been a cop in the first place since this happened after finn shes her at the window

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The difference is at the end she was trying to INITIATE a message to the past with the note about not getting caught. Every other time she has received the message from her future self, so we don't know if it is possible to change things and deliberately send a message to her past self..

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By routinely posting notes to herself everyday at a specific time, she created a direct way of communicating with her future self. In other words, today essentially becomes yesterday's future.


Actually by placing a note in the window she was communicating with her PAST self.

It's a nod to fate IMHO. She was all cool no problem I'll kill my boyfriend and go with the police because the note in the window will tell me not to get caught at the window and what's just happened will reset as my past self will get the message and not get caught etc.

What happens though is the paper falls off the window and the message is never sent, implying that you can't change the timeline as all the other messages she got were mini causal loops, and the whole movie was a causal loop. She tried to break the loop by deciding to send a message to change things, which she had not done before, rather than just following messages from her future self as usual.

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