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"The Three Stooges write the winners on a paper so that they act upon it yesterday."
Find the error.
The error is that the time travel concept in this movie makes time travel utterly useless to the protagonists. They'll never profit from it since they only communicate to "themselves" in the past.
Or whatever. Man, I get headaches...
You saw the table off cash though, right? And Finn getting his painting mojo back? And Callie getting Finn back into her lovelife? These are what they all wanted to use the machine for and they did.
Their future selves have already profited from using the machine, because they received information from the future, and they are sending back that very same information to their past selves to ensure they keep those profits.
Nothing changes in this film. That future has already happened by the time they receive the photo. They're just going to live through it from that point.
Their future selves have already profited from using the machine, because they received information from the future
They're just going to live through it from that point.
Primer uses a changeable timeline scenario, either replacing or diverging from an "original" timeline. Information from the future of a different timeline can certainly benefit the recipient in the adjacent timeline. But you're correct in that the person in the original timeline won't see any changes, or receive those benefits.
Time Lapse uses a fixed timeline scenario, so they aren't sending messages to some other universe, but to their past selves. Finn's paintings prove it's a fixed timeline, since they're all examples of Bootstrap Paradoxes, something one can only find in fixed timelines.
http://www.astronomytrek.com/the-bootstrap-paradox-explained/
In fact, all the events in the time loop are “fixed” and take place on a single unchangeable timeline.Being a fixed timeline, the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle then applies here as well.
The principle asserts that if an event exists that would give rise to a paradox, or to any "change" to the past whatsoever, then the probability of that event is zero. It would thus be impossible to create time paradoxes.There is no "original" timeline. It's only a single self-consistent one.
A little late my reply...sorry.
Well thank you for your effort, you've really invested some thought into your piece. I can't contribute more since I'm still slightly baffled by the movie's time travel concept.
There is no 'time travel'. The camera shows the future.... (prediction, except it's true).
shareThe whole thing kind of reminded me of the bill and ted movies, where they make a plan and then it just happens, like with his dads keys. "Later on we'll go get the keys and hide them here so we can use them". and then he just looks and there they are.
As callie stated that if we depict from what happened in the photo then we'll be non-existent, means they will be alive no more, means there will be no new photo.
So, my question is; everything happened as it was in the photos, ( callie could not change the present/past as she tried to by using 8AM photo shoot) ( everything is happening as it is destined) then why the last photo is blanked ? There should be something on that photo. There should be.
Or otherwise I am completely off the track.
The last photo isn't blank. It's Polaroid film so it takes a few seconds to develop. The director rolled the credits before we saw what happened tomorrow in the photo...
shareNo, the error is that you're trying to make sense of time travel, when there's no time travel in the movie. So you're confused because you're trying to analyze the wrong thing.
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WORDS MEAN THINGS! Also, before you come to bitch about a plot hole, rewatch the show/movie.
Meanwhile I forgot the exact story of the film and I can't really argue whether your point actually matters....
shareInformation from the future is sent to the past (1 day or 2 weeks). So technically there is time travel in the movie.
"You're not thinking 4th dimensionally!"
Ok let's say it is currently 7:58 pm Tuesday. If nothing new is decided or planned, the photo printed at 8:00 pm Tuesday will show an empty couch and a blank window. That is currently what will happen on 8:00 pm Wednesday.
However, if they (the past trio) collectively decide at 7:59 pm Tuesday to sit on the couch at 8:00 pm Wednesday and paste the day's gambling results on the window, assuming they stick to the plan, the future is overwritten and they receive the photos of said results.
So the next day, they (the future trio) bet on the results and win big. The future trio get to keep the money. All they have to do to retain the money is to do replicate exactly is in the photos. That's it! I imagine if they do not replicate exactly what is in the photo, the money vanishes (my guess is, if that's the case, the photo from the night before will not show the gambling results in the first place but that is a more complicated line of thought).
The future trio benefits from the actions of the past trio except the future trio ARE ALSO the past trio.
Imagine saying that your past self is dumb for working so hard when only your future self (the one collecting salary on payday) benefits! That would make no sense. From past to present, it is the same you (well, not exactly, but let's not go there).
EDIT: Ok I've given the idea more thought and I start to understand what you mean. Imagine you are Wednesday Callie. You send a message to Tuesday Callie and the day 'resets' ala Edge of Tomorrow. Do you as Wednesday Callie cease to exist? If so it does seem foolish to die just so that another version you get to fulfill a selfish whim. Or is it the same you, just with memories of the original Wednesday erased? The movie does not provide sufficient context for us to answer these questions, since it only presents to us the final version of events and doesn't show us how the events are reset.
If multiple times lines, yes indeed. As their "past" will have no effect on themselves
However, if a singular timeline, then it works. Future self sends message back, past self learns from it and the timeline loops and continues in a new future. In other words; in each loop, there is a limited finite future. The future self will simply merge with its new future self.... and so will profit from its messages.
Problem is then that imo the movie should show this. That the future looped the moment the picture was taken... it did not show this. So perhaps it is not a singular timeline... and in such a case, you have a point.